Valve Developer Community:Moderator elections

Moderator elections are being hosted to ease reliance on Valve due to changes in time since the creation of the wiki that prohibit admins from being able to do meaningful work.

Moderators have the ability to:

• Block other users from editing
• Protect pages and edit protected pages
• Delete pages

along with other select permissions.

Moderators will retain their permissions indefinitely unless it is decided that they can not uphold their duties as a moderator, either through resignation or through community/administrative decision. Future elections will be held at the discretion of Valve.

Note:Running will be closed on Sunday, 23 June 2024.

Running

Users who would like to run for moderator must be autoconfirmed and have at least 100 edits. Users can check their own edit count at Special:Preferences. You will be removed from the list of users running if you do not meet the requirements listed.

It is also highly recommended that you should change or use passwords that are long enough and secure, in order to prevent hackers from login on any moderators account and vandalizes this wiki.

To add yourself, place the following under the Users running for moderator section:

{{SUBST:Moderator entry|{{SUBST:REVISIONUSER}}|reason for running --~~~~}}

Elections have no specific timeframe and will be decided based when it is felt that they should end.

Voting

Voting can be done with the Vote template. Usage can be found in its docs. Place your vote under its respective section and add ~~~~ to the end of it.

To vote use this template: {{Vote|<yes/no>| <your text here> --~~~~}}

Users running for moderator

Place entries below this line.

Pee

User: Pee (Contributions | Bot Contributions)

Reason: I'm fairly active on this website, and I believe that I generally make constructive and uncontroversial edits. Many of my edits as moderator would be minor, and the larger edits would be done carefully and only if I am confident in them. I would listen to any feedback given. I have no intention on automating tasks with moderator privileges, I will use my own discretion on any edits that I will make. For this reason (and just for safety), I am not requesting moderator privileges on my bot account.

Yes

1.  Yes: 

   User is fairly active, and I concur that their edits are largely productive, rather than obstructive, even when refactoring is involved.
   — SirYodaJedi (talk) 13:31, 17 June 2024 (PDT)
2.  Yes: 

   I agree with SirYoda, great productive edits -Equalizer (talk) 14:54, 17 June 2024 (PDT)

No

1.  No: 

   This user (through the use of their bot, PeeBot) spams automated, unneeded edits all around the wiki. Similar to my complaints about templates on other users applying here, I believe this is just unnecessary and serves to clutter without adding detail or readability to pages. While I do believe the user means well by it, it just does not help the wiki in my opinion. --FrozenH2O (talk) 14:56, 17 June 2024 (PDT)

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Equalizer5118

User: Equalizer5118 (Special:Contributions/Equalizer5118)

Reason: Despite my lack of edits recently, I check the site every day. I have a great track record of edits, have created some largely used templates ({{autocat}}), converted a large amount of game articles to the {{software page}} template, and have a great understanding of templates. I am also a quality assurance tester for Portal 2: Community Edition, and the devs can attest to my dedication and willing to get work done. I have added some large amounts of documentation relating to P2CE ($parallax).

A major reason why I think I would be a great moderator is my ability to remain neutral. I don't take sides (Edit: removes close friend wording, Not what I was trying to say, see response section). I am heavily in favor of hearing both sides out and trying to find a middle ground.

Some things I stand for:

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• Clear english: I understand some users are not the most fluent in English, and in think that there should be some users who go over edits and fix grammar and the likes

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• Easy visibility: There are many templates (SDKTools) that have too much color, and makes it hard to read especially on phone screens or higher resolutions. Simplifying colors would make this much easier. (Yes, I have made some edits contributing to these colorful nightmares, but I understand the gripes about them now and my view has changed)

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• Civil discussions: this isn't reddit. Users on this site must be over 13, so lets talk like we are mature adults and not insult throwing 9 y/o's.

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• Instant reaction: too often users like User:Lxm6 have free reign for days on end. Only rarely are the Valve mods online, and my frequent visiting of the site will be very helpful in mitigating the damage these users will do.

To sum up, I have large amounts of experience with the source engine and mediawiki. I believe that I would be a great candidate for moderator--Equalizer (talk) 12:06, 17 June 2024 (PDT)

EDIT: RESPONSES TO ALLEGATIONS
"Social media user page"

my user page has no right to be brought up in an argument about this wiki. To cite the Help:Etiquette article:

Your user page is basically your own tiny personal website. You can put whatever you want there... Source

My user page can be whatever I want it to be, and classifying users by their user page is incredibly unfair (BTW, the so-called "social media" style of user page is one that I borrowed from User:NOUG4AT, which I iterated off of and many other users then proceeded to copy after me (see User_talk:Equalizer5118#Your_Design_2, its a little scuffed ATM but you can see the basic outline of the Convo)). It's unfair to classify me based on how I like my user page to look. Does it take longer to load than the basic page? Yes. Does it look harshly different than the normal pages? Yes. Does my page design have anything to do with my edits? No. Any edits I have made in an attempt to "turn this site...into a social media platform" are purely because I was following the wiki standards for that time (ie. my changing of many games/mods to use the {{software page}} templates.)

"Your edits make the wiki harder to edit"

As said before, the main reason I made these edits are because they were being made standard at the time. If you look at the date I joined, you will see that I was right in the middle of the migration to {{MultiPage}} and just at the start of {{Software page}}. As such, I took those as standard for the time. I was well versed in MediaWiki from editing a Fandom wiki for the Roblox game Phantom Forces (of which I have over 1000 edits on and was a well respected editor before I left), so I was easily able to understand what was going on in those templates, although looking back now I can understand how a new user can be completely clueless. Regarding navigation templates such as {{SDKTools}}, I have also made some edits contributing to the Christmas tree, however I was never a big fan, but due to seeing how harsh some editors responded to criticism I tended to keep my mouth shut and my head down. However, look at my recent edits to that template, where I completely removed the color nightmare that it was. I already was not a big fan of the template color, and the whole commotion about wiki standards and visibility was the final straw to pushing that update. After hearing qualms from members of other discord servers, my focus regarding this wiki has shifted largely in the past month or so. I strived to make the template creation process much simpler (ie. my work in making {{footer}}/{{asbox}}) usable for every similar template). I would also like to state that I was not the biggest fan of MultiPage, and only tolerated it because everyone else had made it the standard. I saw some flaws with Lang, yes, but those could easily be rectified and not in need of a new template entirely. The recent creation of the Page template has also rekindled my dislike for this, as it seems pointless. We are fixing one thing and adding more issues on top. Lang wasnt broken, idk why we needed to fix it. I never spoke out about this tho because Mutlipage was already the norm, so I just followed it.

The TL;DR of this entire paragraph is: My edits which were made to "turn this website into a social media website" were not made with that goal in mind at all, I just simply wanted to follow the standards for the time. The jarring experience of having the {{MultiPage}} changeover was harsh for me too. I, again, just followed the standards, as I am sure many other editors did.

The whole "close friend" thing

that was an unfortunate mistype. I was in a slight rush and oversimplified what I tried to say which was: I am not perfect. If someone I respect greatly or a close friend is getting put under heat, its only natural for me to have a slight edge towards them in an argument. If they are clearly in the wrong tho, I will change sides, but I was just trying to say that my neutrality isn't flawless, and nobody can be.

I would also like to state that these responses are not just attempts to preserve my image, I am trying to clarify my editing history.

Yes

1.  Yes: 

   I trust this guy. He helped me and many other users. --User:Mr. SystemError (talk) 07:02, 17 June 2024 (PDT)
2.  Yes: 

   I also trust this guy. He fights spam and helps others. --N0one (talk) 12:25, 17 June 2024 (PDT)
3.  Yes: 

   Pretty reasonable person from my experience, and he writes good docs. He uses templates (which is good in moderation), but he doesn't do the crazy confusing 4-layer nested template lasagna in the middle of a page that prevents me from finding where some text is. --Ozxybox (talk) 12:36, 17 June 2024 (PDT)

No

1.  No: 

   This person is a member of a group which is actively making the wiki harder to navigate and edit. --SlimekPL (talk) 12:19, 17 June 2024 (PDT)
2.  No: 

   This user is also using the same convoluted "social media"-esque user page as other users here who have made questionale edits, including the person that made this user page template to begin with, and seems to have done questionable edits to pages and made convoluted templates, so for me that's a no. Angel (talk) 12:30, 17 June 2024 (PDT)

   Hey, could you present some examples of questionable edits and convoluted templates and how those should impact my ability to function as a moderator? I also did not make the user page template. Also, my user page does not relate to the quality of my edits, I just like how it looks. --Equalizer (talk) 12:39, 17 June 2024 (PDT)

3. I don't take sides unless it is a close friend. - what's that supposed to mean? Other than that, I don't feel like supporting this candidate. Being a tester for P2CE is great, but has little to do with the wiki... the personal page and selected examples of created pages don't convince me all too well. Cvoxalury (talk) 12:35, 17 June 2024 (PDT)

   It means that unless i have personal ties to someone in question (such as i know them from outside the site), I treat each party with neutrality. Can you also present some examples of why my selected pages deter you? --Equalizer (talk) 12:39, 17 June 2024 (PDT)

   But shouldn't you treat them with neutrality either way? As for pages. While it's very tedious to go through page history (every diff loads with "verifying you're human"), I glanced at Materialize page, which immediately stood out as the 'social/templatist' fluff, and the necessity of this page is questionable (can't it be a section in Creating PBR materials page?). Your page says you created Installing Hammer++ for Other Games, but unless I'm misreading its page history, it was THE OWL? (the page is one huge mess, too). As for your personal page, it's the 'social media' style of it. Cvoxalury (talk) 12:48, 17 June 2024 (PDT)

   I still don't see how the "social media" style of it should be a deterrent, it's a user page. By definition it's supposed to be what the user wants it to be. Have I ever created a page that looks like that or pushed other users to adopt that style? As for the h++ installing or other games, I created it when it was originally for Portal 2 and have since updated it. When it got moved to it's new position, THE OWL copied and pasted the code instead of moving it. If you check my user contribs and scroll down, you can find my creation of that page.

   And finally, if you have ever had gripes with these pages, why not create an account and make some requests on the talk page? If this has truly been an issue you could have spoken up. The inclusion of templates such as the {{materialize}} and the SDK tools at the end are only because they are standard on all the other pages, so I don't want to break visual parity to the other pages. Materialize was created as a separate page because it's a unique program, and as nobody made any objections to this, I thought this was alright.

   First of all, I had this account for a while, I'm not a new user who just registered for the votes. I made it before for the sake of adding info. I don't have all the time in the world to track and fight off every incremental change I didn't like, but when I finally had enough, I had spoke up, so that point is moot, that I "could have spoken up". I did. Things like "nobody objecting" isn't the same as having consensus. What should matter is what arguments we're voicing now, not so much the choice of when we're doing it. I am actually glad that you edited the SDK Tools template, that you took that step.

   As for personal page. Yeah, it's a fair point, it's your page. I shouldn't have used it as an argument, to tell the truth I looked at it and mentally labeled you as being on 'that' side of the argument. But I shouldn't have. I'll strike my vote out, and I ask @PabloS that it doesn't count. (I am on the fence still, so I'm not ready to change it to Yes vote). Cvoxalury (talk) 14:18, 17 June 2024 (PDT)

   As for the close friends thing, if they were in the wrong obviously of course I would then be against them. You cannot tell me that you are completely unbiased, nobody can be, which is what I was trying to say. I remain as neutral as possible. Friends or close ties will always influence everybody's decisions (but I don't have a whole lot of friends lol), so I was just trying to state that I am still a human --Equalizer (talk) 13:01, 17 June 2024 (PDT)

4.  No: 

   Moderators shouldn't be "tak[ing] sides", even for close friends; this is especially the case for an open Valve wiki that is meant to be factual documentation to assist mappers and modders rather than a group chat. As the user mentions in their own app, "this isn't reddit", yet is one of the users responsible for seemingly trying to turn this site from clean documentation into a social media platform (ie. user's profile). Additionally, as is the complaint from me for many other applicants on here, the user is partly responsible for convoluted templates spammed on many pages of the wiki that only serve to raise the bar for entry in the editing process for new contributors. With the Source 2 engine constantly evolving in newer games such as CS2 that already lack documentation, new contributors experienced with the engine are really needed, and this template spam only hurts the prospect of gaining future contributors. --FrozenH2O (talk) 20:08, 17 June 2024 (PDT)

Closed discussions

Speedvoltage

Accepted. PabloS (talk) 12:18, 18 June 2024 (PDT)

User: Speedvoltage (Special:Contributions/Speedvoltage) Reason: Name is Peter Brev. Having been Black Mesa's community manager, and having managed various communities for years, I am happy to see that moderator elections are happening. I apply in the hopes of keeping the wiki clear of vandalism, especially after what happened with Displacement. I will provide assistance where needed, else I will sit back and continue reading the wiki as I have been doing. I have contributed to the wiki by creating new articles, and providing meaningful edits to various Source and GoldSrc articles. --Level Design 2003 - 2024 (talk) 00:27, 18 June 2024 (PDT) Yes  Yes:  great candidate for moderator, works hard to keep VDC useful --Vaya Mapcore (talk) 01:10, 18 June 2024 (PDT)  Yes:  The kind of candidate we need. Has put very useful info on the wiki. Cvoxalury (talk) 04:38, 18 June 2024 (PDT)  Yes:  Looking through the user's contributions I can agree that I think they'll be helpful in keeping the wiki clean and will contribute useful edits and changes through their moderation of the platform. --Haaselh0ff (talk) 06:18, 18 June 2024 (PDT)  Yes:  The user's past contributions show photos being uploaded for guides and only useful edits semi-consistently for multiple years. --FrozenH2O (talk) 08:06, 18 June 2024 (PDT) No

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Max34

Denied; clear consensus against. PabloS (talk) 21:16, 17 June 2024 (PDT)

User: Max34 (Special:Contributions/Max34) Reason: I often visit this site and review all the changes since my last visit. Although I am the person who is more concerned about the technical part of the site (creating and updating templates, keeping the code clean), I will not allow some vandals to break the site. This site has become almost a second home to me, because when I’m having a hard time and I’m burning out, this site saves me. --Max34 (talk) 01:08, 17 June 2024 (PDT) Yes  Yes:  I think I'll stick up for you. It is clear that someone needs to clean up this swamp of triple template language pages. But like any change, according to the theory of Everett Rogers, you need people who will implement it. Good luck to you guys. --Clash (talk) 10:36, 17 June 2024 (PDT) No  No:  one of the users actively making the wiki worse by adding lots of superfluous functions such as achievements, information about unpopular mods etc etc. I don't think Any of this group of users should get any additional controls. --Vaya Mapcore (talk) 06:52, 17 June 2024 (PDT) I agree that lately the wiki has been filled with unnecessary functionality and super-colorful garbage (SDKTools template as an example). When we first started doing all this, there wasn’t that much of it, so it didn’t seem like it was a problem. This became a problem when it began to be used en masse without proper regulation. --Max34 (talk) 08:18, 17 June 2024 (PDT) it became a problem as soon as you started doing this. Its not required and it makes VDC less usable. Its meant to be a technical resource, not your pet project - Vaya Mapcore (talk) 08:26, 17 June 2024 (PDT) I just want to make this wiki better. Yes, sometimes I don’t do the best things, but without mistakes we cannot achieve the best result; the main thing is to admit mistakes and correct them. That's why I'm working on a Page template, which (according to my ideas) should solve most of the problems caused by MultiPage. --Max34 (talk) 08:53, 17 June 2024 (PDT) Then why do you people keep it up? Cvoxalury (talk) 10:28, 17 June 2024 (PDT) Right now I am in the army (1 year in the army. This is mandatory and cannot be refused). All this year I have not had the normal opportunity to fully participate in the development of the site. However, at the end of the month I will be back and can work on correcting my mistakes to the fullest. Right now I'm doing everything possible to fix at least some of the problems that I brought to this site. I understand most of the outrage towards everything “new”, but it will take time to fix it. --Max34 (talk) 11:44, 17 June 2024 (PDT) I want to believe you when you say you'll fix these problems, but I'm not sure I can fully believe it when you're citing THE OWL's strawman argument about 'outrage against new'. But time will tell. Cvoxalury (talk) 11:58, 17 June 2024 (PDT)  No:  This person is a member of a group which is actively making the wiki harder to navigate and edit. --SlimekPL (talk) 07:07, 17 June 2024 (PDT) Creating a MultiPage template did make editing more difficult, which I was aware of when I created this template. Only there were few people who spoke negatively about the shortcomings, so in the end the template went into full use. Now I'm trying to come up with a new (yes, another) template, which is now the Page template. Right now this new system of how the page process works is terribly complicated and I'm trying to fix that. Lang, MultiPage, Page — all this is a process to achieve an optimal result that will be convenient for both readers and editors. --Max34 (talk) 08:18, 17 June 2024 (PDT)  No:  This user is the self titled creator of "Team_34" which seems to be a team of people who all spam the wiki with low quality edits and unneeded templates. --Angel (talk) 07:15, 17 June 2024 (PDT) Sorry for making you think that there is some kind of “team” that is ruining everything. It is in no way associated with this site, I am involved in editing this site alone. --Max34 (talk) 08:18, 17 June 2024 (PDT) You are contradicting yourself about there being no "team", in your first response you said "When we first started doing all this", and in your last you said "I am involved in editing this site alone", so which one is it.Angel (talk) 08:36, 17 June 2024 (PDT) Sometimes I write in the plural because I work on things with THE OWL from time to time. Very often I need someone's opinion before doing something, and since we often chats with him, I usually ask him. --Max34 (talk) 08:53, 17 June 2024 (PDT)  No:  Similar to the qualms I have against many of the other current applicants, this user has increased the spam of templates accross the wiki at the expense of both readability. Any random contributor browsing a wiki page and seeing a tiny issue now has to navigate through multiple different pages in an attempt to correct what used to have been a minor 5 second edit. Such a restructure only serves to deter more mappers from using the wiki as a resource and to deter future contributors from spending their free time to improve the documentation provided here. --FrozenH2O (talk) 11:12, 17 June 2024 (PDT)  No:  Do not want to entrust this editor with moderator privileges and especially page protection after taking a look at their template/design experiments more closely. I don't have faith in their fixing one massive issue (multipage template) with another brand new template, and their Main page mockup looks awful. Clearly they didn't heed our previous comments about it. Cvoxalury (talk) 18:08, 17 June 2024 (PDT) I copied the original design of THE OWL's new homepage in the hopes of making it look better, but decided against it. it was left only so that I could experiment with the Page template on it. --Max34 (talk) 18:22, 17 June 2024 (PDT)

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Kr0tchet

Denied; clear consensus against. PabloS (talk) 21:16, 17 June 2024 (PDT)

User: Kr0tchet (Special:Contributions/Kr0tchet) Reason: With admin (aka moderators) perms, I would be able to delete stuff (such as mistakenly created pages, or unused files) and do other admin-required stuff, and I can also check whether there is vandalism, spam, etc... on this Wiki (I probably might be able to block any vandals faster since I'm very active on this wiki, and occasionally watching related changes around 11AM - 11PM UTC+7). Through I also do other stuff on this wiki such as updating/cleaning up templates. There are alot of old unused stuff that needs to be deleted. Forgot to mention that I largely never made changes to the template which would make the site less usable (and also the changes I made at the time with THE OWL's main page which was kinda confusing to use for me, was just grammar fix). --leonidakarlach (talk) 03:43, 17 June 2024 (PDT) Yes  Yes:  I find it good to remove unused files and mistakenly created pages or pages having the Delete Template. --N0one (talk) 04:53, 17 June 2024 (PDT)  Yes:  Active person on the wiki, wants to clean up the site from unused content, seems like a good candidate. --Wikot235 (talk) 06:38, 17 June 2024 (PDT) No  No:  one of the users actively making the wiki worse by adding lots of superfluous functions such as achievements, information about unpopular mods etc etc. I don't think Any of this group of users should get any additional controls. --Vaya Mapcore (talk) 06:53, 17 June 2024 (PDT)  No:  This person is a member of a group which is actively making the wiki harder to navigate and edit. --SlimekPL (talk) 07:07, 17 June 2024 (PDT)  No:  User seems to also be creating unneeded templates and low quality edits like most candidates on this page. --Angel (talk) 07:35, 17 June 2024 (PDT)  No:  The wiki used to be easily readable documentation that clearly and concisely listed what mappers needed for reference. The spam of templates not only makes it harder to navigate the wiki, but also harder for any minor corrections to be made as an editor must search through potentially multiple pages to find where the typo is saved. --FrozenH2O (talk) 11:12, 17 June 2024 (PDT)  No:  Like others have said, I'm dissatisfied with the current state of the wiki's edit capacity. Now, to start things off, I recognize that the usage of templates in recent times is, in a pretty great amount, done so that pages can be translated while all maintaining a level of parity between one another. However, I feel like the use OF these templates has become very overzealous lately. Stubs like VRAD (Source 2) and func_viscluster really don't need templates, and they just become editor-hostile when they're made up entirely of template pages. --Wolfcl0ck (talk) 15:21, 17 June 2024 (PDT)

SirYodaJedi

Accepted. PabloS (talk) 17:46, 17 June 2024 (PDT)

User: SirYodaJedi (Special:Contributions/SirYodaJedi) Reason: I am relatively active on this website, even though most of my recent edits outside of userspace are minor. My primary concerns with the VDC are legibility, usability, and accuracy. I try to stick with whatever style is already set forth; the only "major" design change I can think of that I've been on the forefront of is implementing a system for sourcing references (in a way less obtrusive than Wikipedia, imo). I have a mixed opinion on the recent changes in how the wiki looks and works. I think {{software page}} takes up too much room on pages like Source. The nested nature of {{multipage}} makes editing a hassle. Some information, particularly lists, are in templates instead of directly on the page, because they're on more pages than they need to be (I'm slightly guilty of this with {{warning model lightmaps}}). There isn't any rhyme or reason when to use the different text render styles of {{software}} (I tend to use 2 the most, since its the least obtrusive; 1 is kinda pointless, and wastes template calls). I think the "modern" note templates help visibility, and make it clear what a given note is about (warnings were too easy to miss before). The deprecation of {{game name}} has made mentioning multiple games much easier (like so: ). As for moderator qualifications, I am a co-admin of the TTGames LEGO Modding discord server (10k members), and have been on the moderation team there for over two an a half years. I've also been a "senior editor" on the PCGamingWiki for five years, which is basically inbetween regular logged-in users and moderators. I've only been modding Valve games for about two years, but I am familiar with the community, soak up information, and try my best help people with stuff I know about when I can. — SirYodaJedi (talk) 14:44, 17 June 2024 (PDT) Yes  Yes:  This user has made frequent and quality edits to docs and templates alike. Good candidate --Equalizer (talk) 14:51, 17 June 2024 (PDT)  Yes:  This user has made many high quality edits to the wiki and has regularly updated incorrect information. They are active in source modding hubs outside of the wiki as well, so are able learn about new quirks in the Source 2 engine and update the wiki with much needed information related to the new engine as it becomes available. --FrozenH2O (talk) 15:01, 17 June 2024 (PDT)  Yes:  <Active user, pragmatic and wanting to improve things.> --Vaya Mapcore (talk) 16:22, 17 June 2024 (PDT) No

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SethTooQuick

Accepted. PabloS (talk) 13:27, 17 June 2024 (PDT)

User: SethTooQuick (Special:Contributions/SethTooQuick) Reason: I'm trustworthy and active. It'd be nice to keep the VDC up and running for as long as it can. --SethTooQuick (talk) 12:27, 17 June 2024 (PDT) Yes  Yes:  For what my vote is worth, I trust this member and believe he is worthy addition to the Moderator team. --Darnias (talk) 12:31, 17 June 2024 (PDT)  Yes:  Seth is a pillar of the Source engine community for years and has created multiple maps that have been officially accepted into CS:GO, I trust him to improve this site. Angel (talk) 12:33, 17 June 2024 (PDT)  Yes:  This user has mad many excellent contributions to this wiki and CSGO, I trust him implicitly --Equalizer (talk) 12:44, 17 June 2024 (PDT)  Yes:  Seth is active in multiple Source and Source 2 based communities meaning he is able to take inputs from them and change things that need changing or fix things that need fixed and I trust him completely already thanks to his knowledgeable edits throughout the VDC --Haaselh0ff (talk) 12:52, 17 June 2024 (PDT)  Yes:  Seth does a lot of good work here and in other parts of the s2 community, working hard to document s2 as well as possible. --Vaya Mapcore (talk) 13:13, 17 June 2024 (PDT) No

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Nescius

Accepted. PabloS (talk) 12:16, 17 June 2024 (PDT)

User: Nescius (Special:Contributions/Nescius) Reason: Being able to delete occasional accidentally created pages would be convenient --Nescius (talk) 19:21, 16 June 2024 (PDT) Yes  Yes:  I trust this person to not make the site worse based on their edit history. --Angel (talk) 07:02, 17 June 2024 (PDT)  Yes:  Active, makes good edits on L4D2 pages in spirit of a developer wiki and minds his own business. --Ficool2 (talk) 07:06, 17 June 2024 (PDT)  Yes:  Like other users, active and no questionable edits. All good. --leonidakarlach (talk) 07:37, 17 June 2024 (PDT)  Yes:  Appears to have a good history of edits --Squidski (talk) 08:15, 17 June 2024 (PDT)  Yes:  Active and have made a lot of good edits. Mr. System Error(T - C) 08:21, 17 June 2024 (PDT)  Yes:  Seems to be a sane person --SlimekPL (talk) 08:40, 17 June 2024 (PDT)  Yes:  Documents undocumented things, and seems to do it well. A. Shift (talk) 11:16, 17 June 2024 (PDT) No

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Mr. SystemError

Declined; no consensus for. PabloS (talk) 17:51, 17 June 2024 (PDT)

User: Mr. SystemError (Special:Contributions/Mr. SystemError) Reason: There are a lot of pages and files marked for deletion, and the last vandal account was banned from editing months after the last time that account was active. I have reverted various vandalism and can help. Mr. System Error(T - C) 00:13, 17 June 2024 (PDT) Yes No  No:  one of the users actively making the wiki worse by adding lots of superfluous functions such as achievements, information about unpopular mods etc etc. I don't think Any of this group of users should get any additional controls. --Vaya Mapcore (talk) 06:51, 17 June 2024 (PDT)  No:  This person is a member of a group which is actively making the wiki harder to navigate and edit. --SlimekPL (talk) 07:07, 17 June 2024 (PDT)  No:  Also seems to be creating unnecesary templates and polluting the VDC. --Angel (talk) 07:34, 17 June 2024 (PDT)  No:  Per the points above. Sorry, but I do not want you to have even more access to the wiki's structure. We really should start undoing at least some of these massive changes. They were rolled onto us one by one, they can be removed one by one... Cvoxalury (talk) 10:18, 17 June 2024 (PDT)  No:  This user is partly responsible for the recent restructuring of the wiki that only makes it more of a pain to access both as a user and a contributor. Their template spam everywhere leads to unnecessary text on many pages that not only reduces readability, but also leads to future edits being more time consuming and convoluted to make. While templates can expedite creation of completely new pages, this user's use of the them and addition of them to many old pages only serves to push users towards directly reading game .fgd files instead of using the wiki as a resource. --FrozenH2O (talk) 11:12, 17 June 2024 (PDT)  No:  Responsible for "color-coded" text that makes wiki an incredible eyesore A. Shift (talk) 11:14, 17 June 2024 (PDT)

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THE OWL

Clear consensus against making this user a moderator. PabloS (talk) 11:52, 17 June 2024 (PDT)

User: THE OWL (Special:Contributions/THE OWL) Reason: Well, why not? I can stay away from this wiki for a whole week, just think about improving it from time to time, and then rework a bunch of stuff in one day. Maybe I'm not serious enough, I actually want full access to this wiki, including FTP, but I've done enough to be trusted. --THE OWL (talk) 12:38, 17 Jun 2024 05:38, 17 June 2024 (PDT) Yes  Yes:  I think I'll stick up for you. It is clear that someone needs to clean up this swamp of triple template language pages. But like any change, according to the theory of Everett Rogers, you need people who will implement it. Good luck to you guys. --Clash (talk) 10:36, 17 June 2024 (PDT) So you're voting for someone who created this mess in the first place. Make it make sense --SlimekPL (talk) 10:56, 17 June 2024 (PDT) No  No:  User has flooded the VDC with useless string of templates upon templates making the site impossible to edit or fix certain pages because it's such a clusterbutt. --Haaselh0ff (talk) 05:58, 17 June 2024 (PDT)  No:  This person is singlehandedly responsible for the enshittification of the VDC. --SlimekPL (talk) 05:52, 17 June 2024 (PDT)  No:  As others have said, this user has done a lot of work in making the VDC a lot less usable than it previously was. The've added a lot of functionality that is not needed on a wiki --Vaya Mapcore (talk) 06:10, 17 June 2024 (PDT)  No:  Due to this user's edits even a page as simple prop static is a mess to nagivate and awful from a user perspective, it also makes the site very slow. --Angel (talk) 06:14, 17 June 2024 (PDT)  No:  This guy turned the wiki into a templated nightmare web that is now almost impossible to untangle. Simple edits to almost any page now require digging through a massive pile of templates. Nobody wants this and he's completely deluded into thinking he's improving things. --Braindawg (talk) 7:22, 17 June 2024 (PDT)  No:  Arguably single-handedly responsible for perhaps the ugliest and least functional UI/templating I've ever seen --Squidski (talk) 08:15, 17 June 2024 (PDT)  No:  Couldn't agree more with everyone above. While this editor's dedication is commendable, it is unfortunately misguided in my opinion. It is directed toward making a wiki something they want instead of prioritising usability, ease of use, speed - and that earns a No in my book. Cvoxalury (talk) 10:09, 17 June 2024 (PDT)  No:  For the reasons that the others have stated, I do not believe this user should become a mod. The constant template spam only makes it more annoying to read and add minor fixes for the wiki. This has only changed a website meant as a quick reference resource into a long scavenger hunt to find what should be easily readable documentation. --FrozenH2O (talk) 11:12, 17 June 2024 (PDT)