Talk:List of Counter-Strike 2 console commands and variables
Why marked as cleanup
I made this page using the exact same style as the other cvar lists. Why does this one need to be cleaned up? There's no unneeded extra data. What are you doing.
--MrFunreal (talk) 06:04, 2 October 2023 (PDT)
- Do you have problems? This article is terrible at this point. Instead of presenting me with a claim, try to figure it out. Look at other articles on similar topics; usually everything is presented in tables. (for example TF2 vars). What were you oriented on? Besides, there is a lot of unnecessary stuff in your article, I cleared the “External links”, which for some reason had categories... Also, why are you creating empty tables for x, y? At the moment, this article needs to be reworked, tables should be added. All you have done just is copy+c and copy+v. Thus, no articles are created. They need to be formatted accordingly. Also, why are you using modernnote? After all, this is just a redirect to the template:note. You need to learn how to create articles, or take your time publishing them. Because there really are a lot of shortcomings here.
--NOUG4AT (talk) 06:31, 2 October 2023 (PDT)- "Usually everything is presented in tables", then proceeds to link one of the only two pages on this wiki that shows cvars in a table. 13 Cvar pages use this same style, 2 use the "uSuAl" tables. Making it a table is a waste of time and won't aid readability. The info you need is already clearly listed in here. If you want it as a table so badly, make it a table yourself so that we have three pages on this wiki that would list cvars in tables.
I've used ModernNote because last time I wrote on the VDC (June) the notes had a different style so we had to use ModernNote to get this look. Only in May did it swap the "modern" look onto the "old" note, and i'm still used to using ModernNote, because some templates like "Idea" still have the old look, instead of the "ModernIdea" look. You should know because your own profile is using the modern version instead of the regular one.
I did not just copy paste, because I legitimately made this list by copying the commands from cs2 and adding the categories myself. Unlike you who had to be reminded to not make pages with literally no content in it at all. You still got some of em. Maybe start worrying about your own page creations.
I did leave in the "External links, which was my bad, but there's no need to point out that poor you just had to edit my creation. That's what the wiki format is. You edit someone elses edit/page without requiring to say "Excuse you, i had to edit what you made!".
I left the X and Y in there to show that there are no X and Y commands. Its not like you even bothered to remove that part either.
Overall, why are you so needlessly toxic? This page was, next to me leaving one thing in, perfectly fine. You're overreacting
--MrFunreal (talk) 12:49, 10 October 2023 (PDT)- I don't want to deal with you. This doesn’t make sense, but I will express my position on everything, without getting too personal, although I didn’t like some of your words. Like poor guy, etc., remember, poor guy. (I’ll leave a lot of the garbage that you wrote about me, you don’t know me and what you write is outright nonsense. I can't rehabilitate you myself. Provide evidence, not literally unfounded “arguments”) I understand that for you it’s an indicator that if everyone is making badly, that this trend should be continued, but the problem is that formatting is necessary and should be. I understand that you don't seem to understand the automation process. Today this is common - and making a normal article from the very beginning is not a waste of time and would take little.
Secondly, your counter-claims to me are laughable. What kind of blank pages are you talking about, tell me. I may be wrong and admit it, unlike some arrogant upstars. And I’m ready to work on myself if I make mistakes.
My rudeness is not personal. But a desire to demonstrate your incompetence and show that there is a different opinion on things. You simply cannot find the error yourself, and start creating a conflict out of nowhere; from the very beginning you never asked me how to improve the article. And started a rude expression like “What are you doing”, I answered critically but so that it would reach you. But... I answered you constructively, you did something about it rather than again trying to present something to me.
Think about it, we are talking about the article, and not about my activity. There is no need to discuss what I do, because I do it sincerely and try to be open, but you are the only toxic one who, instead of asking for advice from the beginning, starts some kind of interrogations.
Think again, why create empty tables for commands that don't exist. You admit that you made a mistake? Or just behave humbly, there is no need to delete my templates either, someone else will want to improve (or someday I will) remember and improve. I understand that you don’t care about the quality of Wikipedia, given your opinion, but again - everyone has different opinions, you should be prepared for the fact that, for example, for you, the high quality of an article will be low for someone. Learn to communicate... Or something.
--NOUG4AT (talk) 13:54, 10 October 2023 (PDT)- 16 Cvar pages use this layout, 2 use the tables you claim are the default. I asked why you want to clean up this specific page and not the other 16.
This simple statement triggered you to say "Do you have problems? This article is terrible at this point. ... Look at other articles on similar topics". Ironically, if you had lookd at more than just the TF2 Cvar page you'd realize that all others use this layout.
We're using this layout because for one, it does not take five hours to make, and is just as easy to read as a table. Nobody who wants to check a Cvar will care if the page is a table or not.
But you are more than welcome spending you weekend converting this page to a table yourself. When your'e done, do these 16 pages next:
List_of_Alien_Swarm_console_commands_and_variables
List_of_Alien_Swarm:_Reactive_Drop_console_commands_and_variables
List_of_Contagion_console_commands_and_variables
List_of_Counter-Strike:_Global_Offensive_console_commands_and_variables
List_of_Counter-Strike:_Source_console_commands_and_variables
List_of_Dark_Messiah_of_Might_and_Magic_console_commands_and_variables
List_of_Dino_D-Day_console_commands_and_variables
List_of_Garry's_Mod_console_commands_and_variables
List_of_Dota_2_console_commands_and_variables
List_of_Half-Life_2_console_commands_and_variables
List_of_The_Stanley_Parable_console_commands_and_variables
List_of_SiN_Episodes_console_commands_and_variables
List_of_Postal_III_console_commands_and_variables
List_of_Portal_2_console_commands_and_variables
List_of_Left_4_Dead_console_commands_and_variables
List_of_Left_4_Dead_2_console_commands_and_variables
Also, here are these empty pages that you made, but could even find yourself.
Monster_scorpion_(Gunman_Chronicles)
BSP_Decompilation
Porting_maps_from_one_mod_to_another_(Source)
Paranoia_2:_Savior
Looking forward to your next overly verbose reply, sincerely --MrFunreal (talk) 04:26, 13 October 2023 (PDT)- Okay, let's not tease or anything like that, I don't want to continue this polemic. If you were so offended by my words, sorry me, but perhaps you yourself later behaved incorrectly, began to write about some kind of grievances, be objective.
Now the question of whether I will spend my weekend creating spreadsheets or not should not concern you, and neither should I if you decide to implement something (because it is up to you to manage your time), and judge someone for their own decisions are misunderstood. Regarding the blank pages, okay, you win, I was wrong.
Besides, well, let's say you're right, what's wrong with creating tables and specifying the page accordingly for clean up - and therefore improving the page, i.e. improve quality.
By the way, I already saw then that this was the only page with such content, but I was in no hurry to correct the message, understand, TF2 is a real example of how such articles should be made.
You can continue to create such articles, who am I so that you are not allowed to create them, but you do not need to argue according to the Clean Up template, if you did not like my excessive emotionality, tell me about it, I will admit my guilt without any problems and explain, why did I write this, don’t try to offend me in return.The only thing that worries me is that later you yourself write to me about grievances, etc. Well, in fact, stop these teases, if my words really hooked you. Tell me.
About the template, well, frankly speaking, I’m already tired of fighting for this, you have your own truth and your own opinion, let it be so, just let everyone If someone want to add own improvements, he will see a template about creating tables and make them. If you just don’t like the Clean Up Template, then put a todo template there, is that bad?
I am ready to constructively resolve the issue (and discuss insults/rudeness), without these emotions, I have no enmity towards you, contrary to previous message, let’s find a common point rather than fight, because everyone has their own vision of things.
--NOUG4AT (talk) 07:17, 13 October 2023 (PDT)- There's 17 other Cvar pages. 15 of those (which is 88.24%) have this layout. I undid your changes so that this page look just like the norm and you tell me I should stop vandalizing? Besides, this is the only Cvar page you insist on changing to a table. You haven't done anything to the others yet.
This page was perfectly fine and in line with all other cvar pages. Stop rewriting the wiki in a way that you think its best. You think you know better. The problem is that you don't. We have established a norm, so we adhere to it. You do not need to change it, because you're making a mess out of it.
Fact is: the norm is not using tables. It takes too long to create, as is evident because as of now you changed one single line to a table.
Please just leave it be. There's no need to do any of this nonsense.--MrFunreal (talk) 10:26, 13 October 2023 (PDT)- Listen, I clearly explained my position to you, you continue to insist on your position and write impudently, I am writing to you kindly to end this dispute, but you are again trying to answer me something, although I could add that these improvements are taking place, and I’m tired of giving examples. You continue to think that innovation is a mess, etc., be objective, you are against innovation, or what kind of chaos are we talking about, I told you about automation, etc. You also did not answer my personal complaints. And stop imposing your position on me, you didn’t like the template and you continue to argue, this is an open wiki and everyone can offer their ideas. No one has established any standard, why are you making things up on the fly, I’m tired of arguing with you, you are plunging more and more into this chaos, it’s seems that useless to talk to you. Besides, the fact that made tables on the TF2 page is also nonsense or what? What are you even talking about? And again, there’s no need to say again that tables are a waste of time, what’s wrong with you? Prepare a nice-formatted article using the wiki format.Regarding vandalism, you cancel the edits without a conversation, and besides, you argue pointlessly.—NOUG4AT (talk) 10:44, 13 October 2023 (PDT)
- Do what you must. But don't slap a cleanup notice on something, claim things are terrible when it, in fact, is formatted like all other pages like it. And especially don't antagonize people because they don't agree with your opinion, no matter how "valid" you think your opinions are.
Im curious as to wether you'll actually change all Cvar pages because you insist to have them as tables, or if you'll forget this project of yours just like the four blank pages you made. Have fun, poor guy!
--MrFunreal (talk) 11:14, 13 October 2023 (PDT)- I would just like to point out that multiple months have passed and Mr."all cvar pages should use tables!" has not even continued on this one page yet.
Am I allowed to revert it back to normal so that all pages look alike, or am I going to be yelled at again?
--MrFunreal (talk) 04:19, 10 January 2024 (PST)
- I would just like to point out that multiple months have passed and Mr."all cvar pages should use tables!" has not even continued on this one page yet.
- Do what you must. But don't slap a cleanup notice on something, claim things are terrible when it, in fact, is formatted like all other pages like it. And especially don't antagonize people because they don't agree with your opinion, no matter how "valid" you think your opinions are.
- Listen, I clearly explained my position to you, you continue to insist on your position and write impudently, I am writing to you kindly to end this dispute, but you are again trying to answer me something, although I could add that these improvements are taking place, and I’m tired of giving examples. You continue to think that innovation is a mess, etc., be objective, you are against innovation, or what kind of chaos are we talking about, I told you about automation, etc. You also did not answer my personal complaints. And stop imposing your position on me, you didn’t like the template and you continue to argue, this is an open wiki and everyone can offer their ideas. No one has established any standard, why are you making things up on the fly, I’m tired of arguing with you, you are plunging more and more into this chaos, it’s seems that useless to talk to you. Besides, the fact that made tables on the TF2 page is also nonsense or what? What are you even talking about? And again, there’s no need to say again that tables are a waste of time, what’s wrong with you? Prepare a nice-formatted article using the wiki format.Regarding vandalism, you cancel the edits without a conversation, and besides, you argue pointlessly.—NOUG4AT (talk) 10:44, 13 October 2023 (PDT)
- There's 17 other Cvar pages. 15 of those (which is 88.24%) have this layout. I undid your changes so that this page look just like the norm and you tell me I should stop vandalizing? Besides, this is the only Cvar page you insist on changing to a table. You haven't done anything to the others yet.
- Okay, let's not tease or anything like that, I don't want to continue this polemic. If you were so offended by my words, sorry me, but perhaps you yourself later behaved incorrectly, began to write about some kind of grievances, be objective.
- 16 Cvar pages use this layout, 2 use the tables you claim are the default. I asked why you want to clean up this specific page and not the other 16.
- I don't want to deal with you. This doesn’t make sense, but I will express my position on everything, without getting too personal, although I didn’t like some of your words. Like poor guy, etc., remember, poor guy. (I’ll leave a lot of the garbage that you wrote about me, you don’t know me and what you write is outright nonsense. I can't rehabilitate you myself. Provide evidence, not literally unfounded “arguments”) I understand that for you it’s an indicator that if everyone is making badly, that this trend should be continued, but the problem is that formatting is necessary and should be. I understand that you don't seem to understand the automation process. Today this is common - and making a normal article from the very beginning is not a waste of time and would take little.
- "Usually everything is presented in tables", then proceeds to link one of the only two pages on this wiki that shows cvars in a table. 13 Cvar pages use this same style, 2 use the "uSuAl" tables. Making it a table is a waste of time and won't aid readability. The info you need is already clearly listed in here. If you want it as a table so badly, make it a table yourself so that we have three pages on this wiki that would list cvars in tables.
