Template talk:BasicCSseriesWeapon
3 extra categories out of nowhere with Weapon ak47
☒ Unresolved. I don't see them in my sandbox2, which is what I expect. --Lxm6 (talk) 8:22, 9 Jul 2023
Splitting CS2 from CS:S and CS:GO
"Remove CS2 stuff; {{BasicCS2Weapon}} is its own separate thing now. Source 1 pages shouldn't be documenting Source 2 things, and vice versa."
Um, so what's the current intention for each of the weapon pages such as weapon_awp in particular, especially weapons that appear in all three games? Those pages are sort of in a broken state right now since 18 days because you can use neither of the templates {{BasicCSseriesWeapon}} nor {{BasicCS2Weapon}} for them because both templates omit stuff of at least one game.
Is the intention to create duplicates of weapon pages like weapon_awp/Counter-Strike 2 just because of the different engine? These wiki templates don't need to reflect that, or is it? Is this change really worth the trouble although the entities are so identical?
If so, I'd instead suggest reverting the changes that moved this template away from containing the necessary KV/I/Os of all three games because that's what this template was made for: toggle the KV/I/Os and categories (!) per weapon page as needed using the {{{css}}}, {{{csgo}}} and {{{cs2}}} parameters. This way you can use the template for all weapons that appear in any combination of these games, thus for all weapons of all three games. This is – or was – a powerful template. That's why I'm curious about why this splitting change was made 18 days ago.
--popcorn (talk) 18:11, 23 April 2025 (PDT)
- Yes, I intend on going through and making proper dedicated Source 2 pages for the weapons. So it'd be weapon_awp (Source 2). I've already combed through some of the pages (the ones that aren't in CS :S), but I need to go though and comb the CS 1.6 FGD so that I can tabsBar the others correctly.
- As for why the split? Simple, it's confusing. It's the same reason I split the HL1 and HL:S versions of Half-Life's entities.
— SirYodaJedi (talk) 18:53, 23 April 2025 (PDT)
- Ok, interesting. Because I found absolutely nothing confusing about the content of the pages weapon_awp etc., except that now all CS2 weapon details are missing on all weapons since 18 days. Since then, you edited weapon_negev, weapon_revolver and weapon_usp_silencer (which are only 3 of at least 10 non-css weapons) to have tabs that lead to a red src2 link and changed their first sentence from {{csgo cs2 point}} to {{this is a}}, also 18 days ago. It makes the impression that you started your 10-steps-plan and stopped at step 1. Do you intend to complete it in the near future or can I revert your edit to this template for now until you have time to do the intended changes properly? I should point out that I am against creating countless pages for almost-identical entities because I'd find their existence even more confusing regarding the marginal differences. And your "it's confusing" is a very vague reason for such a big change (what's confusing for the reader?).
--popcorn (talk) 20:47, 23 April 2025 (PDT)
- Ok, interesting. Because I found absolutely nothing confusing about the content of the pages weapon_awp etc., except that now all CS2 weapon details are missing on all weapons since 18 days. Since then, you edited weapon_negev, weapon_revolver and weapon_usp_silencer (which are only 3 of at least 10 non-css weapons) to have tabs that lead to a red src2 link and changed their first sentence from {{csgo cs2 point}} to {{this is a}}, also 18 days ago. It makes the impression that you started your 10-steps-plan and stopped at step 1. Do you intend to complete it in the near future or can I revert your edit to this template for now until you have time to do the intended changes properly? I should point out that I am against creating countless pages for almost-identical entities because I'd find their existence even more confusing regarding the marginal differences. And your "it's confusing" is a very vague reason for such a big change (what's confusing for the reader?).