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== Should we use the original engine branch or current engine branch on software page template? ==
== Should we use the original engine branch or current engine branch on software page template? ==


Hey there, I was wondering whether or not we should use the current engine branch for the game on the software page template or the original. For example, should we use src04 or hl2 or src13? [[User:Equalizer5118|Equalizer5118, an idiot who cant spel]] ([[User talk:Equalizer5118|talk]]) [[User:Equalizer5118|Equalizer5118]] ([[User talk:(Equalizer5118)|talk]]) 12:21, 28 March, 2023
{{Message
| user = Equalizer5118
| time = 12:21, 28 March, 2023
| Hey there, I was wondering whether or not we should use the current engine branch for the game on the software page template or the original. For example, should we use src04 or hl2 or src13? [[User:Equalizer5118|Equalizer5118, an idiot who cant spel]] ([[User talk:Equalizer5118|talk]])
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{{Tl|Src13 [[User:THE OWL|THE OWL]] ([[User talk:(THE OWL)|talk]]) 5:45, 29 Mar 2023 and others don't give exact information about what exactly the game is based on. If you specify {{Tl|Src13}} for the conditional {{hl2|1}}, it turns out that the game is based on both versions at once - Singleplayer and Multiplayer.
{{Message
| user = THE OWL
| time = 5:45, 29 Mar 2023
| {{Tl|Src13}} and others don't give exact information about what exactly the game is based on. If you specify {{Tl|Src13}} for the conditional {{hl2|1}}, it turns out that the game is based on both versions at once - Singleplayer and Multiplayer.


I don't see any problems in using {{Tl|Src13}}, {{Tl|hl2}} and others if it will give enough information to understand what a person should use to create a similar game.
I don't see any problems in using {{Tl|Src13}}, {{Tl|hl2}} and others if it will give enough information to understand what a person should use to create a similar game.
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Aight, cool. Thanks man! [[User:Equalizer5118|Equalizer5118]] ([[User talk:(Equalizer5118)|talk]]) 8:10, 29 March, 2023
{{Message
| user = Equalizer5118
| time = 8:10, 29 March, 2023
| Aight, cool. Thanks man!
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== hidden categories for Software page template ==
== hidden categories for Software page template ==


Hey there, I have a question about the hidden categories for the Software page template. The current links that you have in the section link to categories with the abbreviations in the title (eg Ps3) instead of the full name from the /strings subpage (PlayStation 3). When I added automatic categories a little while back, I used the strings for the titles instead of the abbreviations. Should we use the existing full name categories or should we use the abbreviated categories? [[User:Equalizer5118|Equalizer5118]] ([[User talk:(Equalizer5118)|talk]]) 20:46, 7 Apr 2023
{{Message
| user = Equalizer5118
| time = 20:46, 7 Apr 2023
| Hey there, I have a question about the hidden categories for the Software page template. The current links that you have in the section link to categories with the abbreviations in the title (eg Ps3) instead of the full name from the /strings subpage (PlayStation 3). When I added automatic categories a little while back, I used the strings for the titles instead of the abbreviations. Should we use the existing full name categories or should we use the abbreviated categories?
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It would be more correct to use full names. Wiki should not take abbreviations as a basis, but it can use them for redirects. [[User:THE OWL|THE OWL]] ([[User talk:(THE OWL)|talk]]) 21:26, 7 Apr 2023
{{Message
| user = THE OWL
| time = 21:26, 7 Apr 2023
| It would be more correct to use full names. Wiki should not take abbreviations as a basis, but it can use them for redirects.
}}


Hmm, interesting. Your time zone is displayed incorrectly (I see UTC+7 instead of UTC-7) {{Emoji|thinking [[User:THE OWL|THE OWL]] ([[User talk:(THE OWL)|talk]]) 21:39, 7 Apr 2023
{{Message
| user = THE OWL
| time = 21:39, 7 Apr 2023
| Hmm, interesting. Your time zone is displayed incorrectly (I see UTC+7 instead of UTC-7) {{Emoji|thinking}}
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Yeah, I noticed that as well. Thought it was a slight mistype on the user settings page that I fixed yesterday but apparently not. It displays correctly on my settings page though... [[User:Equalizer5118|Equalizer5118]] ([[User talk:(Equalizer5118)|talk]]) 16:06, 7 Apr 2023
{{Message
| user = Equalizer5118
| time = 16:06, 7 Apr 2023
| Yeah, I noticed that as well. Thought it was a slight mistype on the user settings page that I fixed yesterday but apparently not. It displays correctly on my settings page though...
}}


== Restoring [[Template:Param]] to the Wikipedia import from revision [[Special:PermanentLink/230178|230178]] ==
== Restoring [[Template:Param]] to the Wikipedia import from revision [[Special:PermanentLink/230178|230178]] ==
Hey c:
{{Message
| user = 結衣
| time = 16:16, 29 Apr 2023
| Hey c:
This is an inquiry as to why [[Template:Param]] has regressed first and a recommendation for revertion second.
This is an inquiry as to why [[Template:Param]] has regressed first and a recommendation for revertion second.


As of this message, [[Template:Param]] has regressed significantly from revision [[Special:PermanentLink/230178|230178]]:
As of this message, [[Template:Param]] has regressed significantly from revision [[Special:PermanentLink/230178|230178]]:
* {{code|{{<nowiki />[safe]subst:param [[User:結衣|結衣]] ([[User talk:(結衣)|talk]]) 16:16, 29 Apr 2023}} will substitute in the wrapping tag (here, {{code|<code<nowiki />>}});
* {{code|{{<nowiki />[safe]subst:param}}}} will substitute in the wrapping tag (here, {{code|<code<nowiki />>}});
* the template {{em|always}} uses {{code|<code<nowiki />>}} instead of allowing the editor to specify a tag via {{code|{{(((}}tag{{)))}}}}, which may be semantically incorrect in some situations;
* the template {{em|always}} uses {{code|<code<nowiki />>}} instead of allowing the editor to specify a tag via {{code|{{(((}}tag{{)))}}}}, which may be semantically incorrect in some situations;
:* a noticeable side-effect is that most template documentation pages specify parameters with the invocation {{code|<nowiki>{{code|{{param|foo}}}}</nowiki>}} which could be simplified to {{code|{{param<nowiki/>|foo|tag={{#tag:var|whatever}}}}}}, where {{code|tag}} is optional
:* a noticeable side-effect is that most template documentation pages specify parameters with the invocation {{code|<nowiki>{{code|{{param|foo}}}}</nowiki>}} which could be simplified to {{code|{{param<nowiki/>|foo|tag={{#tag:var|whatever}}}}}}, where {{code|tag}} is optional
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[[User:Max34|Max34]] told me that he is already improving the template taking into account what you said. Perhaps he has already finished his work :]
{{Message
| user = THE OWL
| time = 17:39, 29 Apr 2023
| edited = 18:00, 29 Apr 2023
| [[User:Max34|Max34]] told me that he is already improving the template taking into account what you said. Perhaps he has already finished his work :]


I can't work on these templates right now, so I'll ask you to talk to him about it. You can also talk to him about {{Tl|Code [[User:THE OWL|THE OWL]] ([[User talk:(THE OWL)|talk]]) 17:39, 29 Apr 2023, which seemed broken to me after your changes.
I can't work on these templates right now, so I'll ask you to talk to him about it. You can also talk to him about {{Tl|Code}}, which seemed broken to me after your changes.
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== [[Valve Developer Community:Moderator elections]] ==
== [[Valve Developer Community:Moderator elections]] ==


Hi: You have been <span style="color:#FA9A87">'''denied'''</span> moderator in elections; there is clear consensus against making you a moderator. [[User:PabloS|PabloS]] ([[User talk:(PabloS)|talk]]) 18:58, 17 Jun 2024
{{Message
| user = PabloS
| time = 18:58, 17 Jun 2024
| 1 = Hi: You have been <span style="color:#FA9A87">'''denied'''</span> moderator in elections; there is clear consensus against making you a moderator.
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All righty then. Thanks for telling me about this and for starting the moderator elections. At the very least, it got people to speak up who were silent before. [[User:THE OWL|THE OWL]] ([[User talk:(THE OWL)|talk]]) 19:08, 17 Jun 2024
{{Message
| user = THE OWL
| time = 19:08, 17 Jun 2024
| 1 = All righty then. Thanks for telling me about this and for starting the moderator elections. At the very least, it got people to speak up who were silent before.
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Should we use the original engine branch or current engine branch on software page template?

(using Template:Message)  Hey there, I was wondering whether or not we should use the current engine branch for the game on the software page template or the original. For example, should we use src04 or hl2 or src13? Equalizer5118, an idiot who cant spel (talk)  --Equalizer5118 (talk) 12:21, 28 March, 2023 (UTC)


(using Template:Message)  {{Src13}} and others don't give exact information about what exactly the game is based on. If you specify {{Src13}} for the conditional Half-Life 2, it turns out that the game is based on both versions at once - Singleplayer and Multiplayer.

I don't see any problems in using {{Src13}}, {{hl2}} and others if it will give enough information to understand what a person should use to create a similar game.  --THE OWL (talk) 5:45, 29 Mar 2023 (UTC)


(using Template:Message)  Aight, cool. Thanks man!  --Equalizer5118 (talk) 8:10, 29 March, 2023 (UTC)

hidden categories for Software page template

(using Template:Message)  Hey there, I have a question about the hidden categories for the Software page template. The current links that you have in the section link to categories with the abbreviations in the title (eg Ps3) instead of the full name from the /strings subpage (PlayStation 3). When I added automatic categories a little while back, I used the strings for the titles instead of the abbreviations. Should we use the existing full name categories or should we use the abbreviated categories?  --Equalizer5118 (talk) 20:46, 7 Apr 2023 (UTC)


(using Template:Message)  It would be more correct to use full names. Wiki should not take abbreviations as a basis, but it can use them for redirects.  --THE OWL (talk) 21:26, 7 Apr 2023 (UTC)


(using Template:Message)  Hmm, interesting. Your time zone is displayed incorrectly (I see UTC+7 instead of UTC-7) {{Emoji|thinking}}  --THE OWL (talk) 21:39, 7 Apr 2023 (UTC)


(using Template:Message)  Yeah, I noticed that as well. Thought it was a slight mistype on the user settings page that I fixed yesterday but apparently not. It displays correctly on my settings page though...  --Equalizer5118 (talk) 16:06, 7 Apr 2023 (UTC)

Restoring Template:Param to the Wikipedia import from revision 230178

(using Template:Message)  Hey c: This is an inquiry as to why Template:Param has regressed first and a recommendation for revertion second.

As of this message, Template:Param has regressed significantly from revision 230178:

  • {{[safe]subst:param}} will substitute in the wrapping tag (here, <code>);
  • the template always uses <code> instead of allowing the editor to specify a tag via {{{tag}}}, which may be semantically incorrect in some situations;
  • a noticeable side-effect is that most template documentation pages specify parameters with the invocation {{code|{{param|foo}}}} which could be simplified to {{param|foo|tag=whatever}}, where tag is optional
  • this saves space and reduces template expansion depths
  • specifying the parameter value now requires a user-specified pipe character (e.g., {{Param|2=&#124;text}} or {{Param|2={{!}}text);
  • this is unintuitive behaviour since this template is used to describe template parameters and not other WikiText syntax
  • because the pipe character is no-longer transcluded, editors can misuse this template to notate non-template parameters (e.g., {{{
  1. if|:syntax abuse}}})
  • nesting parameters becomes tedious and potentionally unmanageable (e.g., {{param|foo|{{param|bar|{{param|baz|derp}}}}}} results in {{{foo|{{{bar|{{{baz|derp}}}}}}}}}; needs {{param|foo|{{!}}{{param|bar|{{!}}{{param|baz|{{!}}derp}}}}}} to produce {{{foo||{{{bar||{{{baz||derp}}}}}}}}})
  • there is spurious functionality inappropriate for contexts outside of template documentation (selection, bold styles)
  • this situation-dependent and should be left to the editor’s discretion

For these reasons, I would recommend reverting the template to revision 230178 (already tried; you’ve immediately reverted it). Understandably, editors have already updated other pages with these regressions in mind, so a revert will need tooling to maintain backwards-compatibility until all pages can be sanitized.  --結衣 (talk) 16:16, 29 Apr 2023 (UTC)


(using Template:Message)  Max34 told me that he is already improving the template taking into account what you said. Perhaps he has already finished his work :]

I can't work on these templates right now, so I'll ask you to talk to him about it. You can also talk to him about {{Code}}, which seemed broken to me after your changes.  --THE OWL (talk) 17:39, 29 Apr 2023 (UTC)

Valve Developer Community:Moderator elections

(using Template:Message) Hi: You have been denied moderator in elections; there is clear consensus against making you a moderator. --PabloS (talk) 18:58, 17 Jun 2024 (UTC)


(using Template:Message) All righty then. Thanks for telling me about this and for starting the moderator elections. At the very least, it got people to speak up who were silent before. --THE OWL (talk) 19:08, 17 Jun 2024 (UTC)