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== Game additions to VDC ==
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== Can i get the source file for the Valve Engines diagram? ==
| user = Ableitung
| time = 14:16, 23 Apr 2023
| First off, appreciate all the work you've been putting into VDC. Second, I just started editing and poking around. I've noticed quite a few pages for games that are available on Steam. What is the purpose for all of these?
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There are some branches that aren't on that diagram ([https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/User:Mr._SystemError/Sandbox#Source_engine_branches_template These ones]), can I get the source file for that image? Or if it isnt possible, can you add these branches to the image? -<span style="font-family:TF2 Build;">[[User:Mr._SystemError|Mr. System Error]]<sup>([[User_talk:Mr._SystemError|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mr._SystemError|C]])</sup></span> 14:03, 18 January 2025 (PST)
| user = Kr0tchet
:Too many to fit into one image and also games (even if it's introducing new engine features), shouldn't be added here unless they are incompatible with each other or made major modifications (there may be some exceptions through like [[Svengine]], which are made for one game but have major modifications that made it incompatible with GoldSrc).</br>For example, HL2: Update shouldn't be listed here since it's just older version of Source 2013 SP, and same for [[PUNT]], [[Tactical Intervention]] and [[The Stanley Parable]], which made minor modifications to Portal 2 engine. About GoldSrc aswell, console ports shouldn't be marked as branches, and {{sohl|1}} is basically Mapbase but for GoldSrc. --[[User:Kr0tchet|leonidakarlach]] ([[User talk:Kr0tchet|talk]]) 21:02, 18 January 2025 (PST)
| time = 15:27, 23 Apr 2023
::Maybe you can put some of them into little notes that you have on the image? For example: "-PUNT and The Stanley Parable use modified versions of Portal 2 branch, Punt added *add most important features*, and TSP added *also most important features*" or something like that. But they do little modifications to the branches, as you said, so maybe not put them, or put them, i dont know, its your choice and image after all, im not trying to force things, just giving suggestions that could improve things -<span style="font-family:TF2 Build;">[[User:Mr._SystemError|Mr. System Error]]<sup>([[User_talk:Mr._SystemError|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mr._SystemError|C]])</sup></span> 01:19, 19 January 2025 (PST)
| A game that doesn't have any Valve content on it and never used Valve engine? I basically doesn't know much about the purposes of them.
::: I'm gonna keep the image as-is for now, through. --[[User:Kr0tchet|leonidakarlach]] ([[User talk:Kr0tchet|talk]]) 01:34, 19 January 2025 (PST)
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== Marking for deletion ==
== Engine build version / protocol ==


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Hi. I noticed you added some information like this to the engine branch pages:
| user = Ableitung
| time = 6:23, 30 Apr 2023
| Please don't remove all the page contents when you mark a page for deletion. I understand the page might not be pertinent, but those of us who want to help review items on [[Reasons for speedy deletion]] need to see the page as it stands. If everything is removed and the template says the page is useless (or something similar), I'm not going to waste my time looking at page history to try to see what the page used to be.
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<kbd>The engine versions for this branch are build 2547 (Lost Coast) or 2761 (EP1) up to 4044 (Protocol 7).<kbd>
| user = Kr0tchet
| time = 6:25, 30 Apr 2023
| Ok I get it. But obviously adding these content back while keeping this message would be time consuming.
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== Absolute position of articles ==
I wonder how can I get that kind of information? I'm trying to guess what branch a given game belongs to based on it's files. Could you share anything about that? Also, can I reach you on discord? {{Unsigned|XBLAH}}
:Build information are available on [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ldzhd6vxd-03le5ymesUeG-hLWmxLpH79ajayeYDUNs/edit Google Spreadsheets] made by SourceRuns community. I do have Discord through (user: leonidakl360) so feel free to contact me there. --[[User:Kr0tchet|leonidakarlach]] ([[User talk:Kr0tchet|talk]]) 05:07, 25 February 2025 (PST)


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== occasional minor edit mismarked ==
| user = THE OWL
| time = 7:40, 13 May 2023
| edited = 7:45, 13 May 2023
| Please try to avoid creating articles with an absolute position like Anomalous Materials (BMS). Instead, make such articles subpages of the project (See the examples below).


We need to sort the wiki content better so that it is easier for both editors and administrators to work with it. Also, it may be worth renaming Black Mesa (Source), since this name looks terrible in the links.
[[File:Info.png|25px|alt=Information icon]] Hi {{ROOTPAGENAME}}! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor that may not have been. "[[w:Help:Minor edit|Minor edit]]" has a specific definition on Wikipedia—it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typographical error or reverting obvious [[Wikipedia:Vandalism|vandalism]]. Any edit that changes the <em>meaning</em> of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. --[[User:Nescius|Nescius]] ([[User talk:Nescius|talk]]) 01:00, 24 April 2025 (PDT)
 
:i'm aware of this and i often making mistakes and rushing edit so sometime i may mark some of my edits as minor and sometime i don't. --[[User:Kr0tchet|leonidakarlach]] ([[User talk:Kr0tchet|talk]]) 01:42, 24 April 2025 (PDT)
Examples:
* Black Mesa (Source)/Anomalous Materials
* Black Mesa: Source/Anomalous Materials
* Black Mesa: The Game/Anomalous Materials
* Black Mesa: Definitive Edition/Anomalous Materials
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| user = Kr0tchet
| time = 9:12, 13 May 2023
| Ok then but I'm probably gonna try the first examples, it would take a while and alot of page moving (not too long as not all pages were created at the moment).
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== Moving pages ==
 
I noticed that when moving [[BSPZIP]] to [[BSPZIP/en]], you copied all the text over to the new page, then replaced the content of the old page. It is preferable, when possible, to instead use the {{code|Move}} button that appears when you click the {{code|More}} arrow next to the search bar; that way the edit history prior to movement is retained.<br/>— [[User:SirYodaJedi|SirYodaJedi]] ([[User_talk:SirYodaJedi|talk]]) 08:49, 22 May 2023 (PDT)

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Can i get the source file for the Valve Engines diagram?

There are some branches that aren't on that diagram (These ones), can I get the source file for that image? Or if it isnt possible, can you add these branches to the image? -Mr. System Error(T - C) 14:03, 18 January 2025 (PST)

Too many to fit into one image and also games (even if it's introducing new engine features), shouldn't be added here unless they are incompatible with each other or made major modifications (there may be some exceptions through like Svengine, which are made for one game but have major modifications that made it incompatible with GoldSrc).
For example, HL2: Update shouldn't be listed here since it's just older version of Source 2013 SP, and same for PUNT, Tactical Intervention and The Stanley Parable, which made minor modifications to Portal 2 engine. About GoldSrc aswell, console ports shouldn't be marked as branches, and Spirit of Half-Life is basically Mapbase but for GoldSrc. --leonidakarlach (talk) 21:02, 18 January 2025 (PST)
Maybe you can put some of them into little notes that you have on the image? For example: "-PUNT and The Stanley Parable use modified versions of Portal 2 branch, Punt added *add most important features*, and TSP added *also most important features*" or something like that. But they do little modifications to the branches, as you said, so maybe not put them, or put them, i dont know, its your choice and image after all, im not trying to force things, just giving suggestions that could improve things -Mr. System Error(T - C) 01:19, 19 January 2025 (PST)
I'm gonna keep the image as-is for now, through. --leonidakarlach (talk) 01:34, 19 January 2025 (PST)

Engine build version / protocol

Hi. I noticed you added some information like this to the engine branch pages:

The engine versions for this branch are build 2547 (Lost Coast) or 2761 (EP1) up to 4044 (Protocol 7).

I wonder how can I get that kind of information? I'm trying to guess what branch a given game belongs to based on it's files. Could you share anything about that? Also, can I reach you on discord? Unsigned comment added by XBLAH (talkcontribs) Always sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~)

Build information are available on Google Spreadsheets made by SourceRuns community. I do have Discord through (user: leonidakl360) so feel free to contact me there. --leonidakarlach (talk) 05:07, 25 February 2025 (PST)

occasional minor edit mismarked

Information icon Hi Kr0tchet! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a specific definition on Wikipedia—it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typographical error or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. --Nescius (talk) 01:00, 24 April 2025 (PDT)

i'm aware of this and i often making mistakes and rushing edit so sometime i may mark some of my edits as minor and sometime i don't. --leonidakarlach (talk) 01:42, 24 April 2025 (PDT)