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As languages increase in number, the amount of new templates for every language to cater every other language will increase. This seems like an unnecessity. I vote Valve adds official support for languages. --Kodak ([[User talk:Kodak|talk]]) 1:22, 11 Oct 2005

I created this page and most of the current template schema, knowing that we’d have an excessive amount of languages. I also agree with you, but that’s up to Valve. The wiki version is still 1.4.5, while 1.5.0 is out. Good luck with that. --AndrewNeo ([[User talk:AndrewNeo|talk]]) 11:57, 11 Oct 2005

==Languages Category==
Added a category to more easily find available languages: [[:Category:Languages]]. --Kodak ([[User talk:Kodak|talk]]) 22:56, 14 Oct 2005

==How to add the template to a category==
2|<nowiki>{{otherlang:en}}</nowiki>}}, {{Code|style=2|<nowiki>{{otherlang:en:de|category:categoryname:de}}</nowiki>}}? --SIzzLeopard ([[User talk:SIzzLeopard|talk]]) 16:33, 25 Sep 2007

==Add redirects with translated names to translated templates==
2|<nowiki>Template:Confirm:zh-cn</nowiki>}}, it would likely be annoying to use it, as they would need to either copy paste English text or use an English keyboard to type in {{Code|style=2|<nowiki>{{confirm:zh-cn}}</nowiki>}}, which not all Chinese people want to do. If there was a template redirect page named simply {{Code|style=2|<nowiki>Template:确认</nowiki>}} that redirected to {{Code|style=2|<nowiki>Template:Confirm:zh-cn</nowiki>}}, then Chinese people would only have to type in {{Code|style=2|<nowiki>{{确认}}</nowiki>}} to use the Chinese confirm template.

In my opinion this would make it easier for chinese people to insert chinese templates. Right? --Amicdict ([[User talk:Amicdict|talk]]) 23:23, 15 Sep 2021

2|<nowiki>{{Warning}}</nowiki>}} template {{Code|Предупреждение}} redirect; an Esperanto redirect {{Code|Noto}} to the English template {{Code|style=2|<nowiki>{{Note}}</nowiki>}}. --Amicdict ([[User talk:Amicdict|talk]]) 5:50, 5 Apr 2023

2|Todo}} can be translated into Russian as {{Code|style=2|Необходимо сделать}}, and this is quite long. And some things are very difficult to translate, because in English, for example, there is a word {{Code|style=2|art}}. In Russian this word has many spellings, but none of them reflects the same essence as the original word {{Code|style=2|art}}.

I can also say that redirects make pages load a little longer due to the extra inclusion, but this is very slightly longer, so I do not consider this a minus. Also, such redirects will clog the list of used templates (you can see it when previewing while editing the page), but this is not so scary, so this is also not a minus.

I’m not saying that it’s not worth experimenting in this area, it’s just that this wiki is not very flexible and we don’t have enough tools to work with such things fully. --Max34 ([[User talk:Max34|talk]]) 19:27, 5 Apr 2023

2|Todo}} can be translated into Russian as {{Code|style=2|Необходимо сделать}}, and this is quite long. And some things are very difficult to translate, because in English, for example, there is a word {{Code|style=2|art}}. In Russian this word has many spellings, but none of them reflects the same essence as the original word {{Code|style=2|art}}.|[[User:Max34|Max34]]}}
Yes, this is unfortunately the nature of translation; and it’s why I thought of the redirect, more as a fix rather than a full solution.

{{Quote|…it’s just that this wiki is not very flexible and we don’t have enough tools to work with such things fully.|[[User:Max34|Max34]]}}
Well, what version of MediaWiki is it based on? --Amicdict ([[User talk:Amicdict|talk]]) 20:15, 5 Apr 2023

{{Quote|The same is quite applicable for English; how many foreigners for example wanted to make a change to our templates, but couldn’t because the page was in English?|[[User:Amicdict|Amicdict]]}}
I agree, but I think this can be partially solved by creating good documentation in which all the names in the translated version will be spelled out, and how they are written in English, as well as links to these templates.

{{Quote|Well, what version of MediaWiki is it based on?|[[User:Amicdict|Amicdict]]}}
The version (and other data) can be viewed on the [[Special:Version]] page. However, even despite the not-so-old version of the engine, many things either do not work or are limited/prohibited in use. --Max34 ([[User talk:Max34|talk]]) 21:40, 5 Apr 2023

{{Quote|The version (and other data) can be viewed on the [[Special:Version]] page. However, even despite the not-so-old version of the engine, many things either do not work or are limited/prohibited in use.|[[User:Max34|Max34]]}}
So what plugins don't work? Why are some prohibited? --Amicdict ([[User talk:Amicdict|talk]]) 17:18, 9 Apr 2023

2|StringFunctions}} (from {{Code|style=2|Extension:ParserFunctions}}) are most likely disabled on this wiki, because their description says this:
{{Quote|All of these functions ({{Code|style=1|len}}, {{Code|style=1|pos}}, {{Code|style=1|rpos}}, {{Code|style=1|sub}}, {{Code|style=1|replace}}, {{Code|style=1|explode}}) are integrated from the StringFunctions extension, but are only available if an administrator sets {{Code|style=1|$wgPFEnableStringFunctions &#61; true;}} in {{Code|style=2|LocalSettings.php}}.|[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions#StringFunctions|Help:Extension:ParserFunctions#StringFunctions]] }}
If these functions were not disabled, there would be a lot more possibilities (well, at least it seems so to me).

If we talk about the title of this whole conversation, then no one stops you. If you want, you can add redirects with translated names to translated templates. We all experiment here often and for good reason. For example, we managed to make a lot of good templates (for example, {{Code|style=1|<nowiki>{{User page}}</nowiki>}} or {{Code|style=1|<nowiki>{{Software page}}</nowiki>}}). --Max34 ([[User talk:Max34|talk]]) 19:09, 9 Apr 2023

==Language Subpages==
2|<nowiki>[[SteamVR/Environments]]</nowiki>}} should be {{Code|style=2|<nowiki>[[SteamVR/Environments:ru]]</nowiki>}}, but that feels off. It isn’t a subpage of {{Code|style=2|<nowiki>[[SteamVR]]</nowiki>}}, it’s a subpage of {{Code|style=2|<nowiki>[[SteamVr:ru]]</nowiki>}}. This gets even worse for the sub-subpages, like {{Code|style=2|<nowiki>[[SteamVR/Environments/Getting Started]]</nowiki>}}. What should be done in these cases? --Kestrelguy ([[User talk:Kestrelguy|talk]]) 1:33, 1 May 2022