User talk:£cho

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Hello there and welcome to the VDC! It's safer here :) I see you've made some additions to the Compiling under VS2008 article: great job! Just dropping by to ask you to use the Show preview button before using the Save page button, so that you don't flood the Recent Changes page with lots of little edits :) Also, always remember to sign your posts on talk pages, and if you have any questions regarding editing, please feel free to ask, or check out the Help:Editing page.

(Please disregard the following text - it is maintained only for "historic" reasons. If £cho is inclined to do so, he can remove it to "clean up" his talk page.)

As a final note - I see you put this on that same article:

 '''<center>This article has proven to be 100% working and is now finalized.</center>'''

I can't say I agree with adding this to the article (or any article for that matter), for two reasons:

  1. Every article on a wiki (like entries in encyclopedias, dictionaries, etc...), unless clearly marked as such, is assumed to be "complete" and "correct" in the information it contains. Even though we all know this doesn't usually happen (the article might need some additional information to be fully comprehensible and/or might need some cleanup, etc - that's why this is a wiki: everyone can contribute to make better and more complete articles at any time), that's what is normal: when you look up an article, you don't assume that it is incomplete and/or needs more information to "work correctly". So stating that it is 100% working goes against this very nature, and is simply unnecessary. It's not wrong to do so, just unnecessary. It would of course create a precedent, and any user could feel pressed to start doing the same thing with every other article. And imagine that after doing so, some articles get updated with new information (due to a new Source SDK version, for example), what then? That "100% complete" sign served no purpose then ... this leads me to point number 2.
  2. While this is right outside of my area of knowledge, I feel that there might be users that, upon following the tutorial, might still not be able to compile their code under VS 2008, due to other "problems" (configuration mishaps that they might have left untouched and are not mentioned in the article, or other issues). "But the sign says: this is proven to be 100% working! How can this be?" See where I'm getting at? Someone might come along and say: "well I wasn't able to put the thing to work, but after doing this and that I made it work ... so now I'm adding it to the article, so that other people know about this". Again, the "100% complete" sign served no purpose.

I'm not intent on removing it as of yet, but I think this should be discussed because I believe it is simply a bad precedent. However, please don't let any of this hinder you from further contributing to this wiki!! Cheers! :) --Etset 12:40, 13 Feb 2008 (PST)

Please use the discussion pages for talking. (Post in User talk:Etset, and not User:Etset). You can access the discussion page of an article via the menu at the top of it. --Andreasen 14:57, 13 Feb 2008 (PST)

Got your message on my page. I see you've already moved it to the talk page, but I was writing this message at the same time... I'd like to take the opportunity to say more about wiki editing:
  1. When leaving a message for a user, write it down on that user's talk page. For example, this page is your talk page. My talk page can be accessed through this link. ;) A user's talk page is accessed through a link such as: [[User_talk:USERNAME|this is a link to USERNAME's talk page!]]. User pages should only be edited by the user that owns that page (in normal circumstances), and can be accessed through a link such as: [[User:USERNAME|this is a link to USERNAME's page!]].
  2. To quickly sign your posts on talk pages, enter the following characters at the end of the text: "--~~~~" (without quotes). I.e. two hifens and four tildes. When you eventually press the Save page button, these characters are automatically transformed into a signature with a timestamp, similar to the one I will sign this text with (at the end of the text). Alternatively, you can use the "signature button", on the Editing buttons toolbar (it's the penultimate button).
If you have any additional question, feel free to ask! :) --Etset 15:27, 13 Feb 2008 (PST)