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Well what did you expect to find, whats missing, if you know something that isn't here then you should write it as thats the point of a wiki. If you want something ask, don't complain. --[[User:Angry Beaver|Angry Beaver]] 19:06, 16 Feb 2007 (PST)
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:Fair comment, but thats some work to overhual, any particular entities in mind that should undergo the process first? I think its something that should be done so starting a slow rollout of the improvement would be the way to go. --[[User:Angry Beaver|Angry Beaver]] 20:51, 16 Feb 2007 (PST)
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What's missing in [[ambient_generic]]? It's almost exactly the same usage as in HL1 - in fact, it's probably even easier with the addition of a sound browser in Hammer. Geez, simmer down a few notches and use some common sense. Oh, and welcome. --'''[[User:Campaignjunkie|Campaignjunkie]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Campaignjunkie|talk]])</sup> 12:07, 17 Feb 2007 (PST)
== Why are you deleting compile errors? ==
:In his defense theres a lot of useful info that could be included, like what is lfo, when valve says spinup... what do they mean? Instead of forcing everyone to experiment and research including more of the information like that might be usefull. --[[User:Angry Beaver|Angry Beaver]] 12:09, 17 Feb 2007 (PST)
::I disagree; that stuff really isn't useful. ;) Also, no one's forcing anyone. If the information isn't there, then it isn't there. You can fill it in yourself or move on. You're not supposed to blame this entire wiki community for its inability to cater to your specific problems, because that's called "whining." --'''[[User:Campaignjunkie|Campaignjunkie]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Campaignjunkie|talk]])</sup> 12:17, 17 Feb 2007 (PST)


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How else are we going to know what's wrong on compile time, if not through checking the wiki? I'm desputing ''all'' of those tags. (So far I've found two.) --[[User:MossyBucket|MossyBucket (formerly Andreasen)]] 16:57, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
:Also, I think I recall that inserting ''delete'' tags needs to be ''major'' edits, so if you've inserted them as minor edits, they might not register. --[[User:MossyBucket|MossyBucket (formerly Andreasen)]] 17:30, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
::The ones I marked for deletion were generally useless articles, "you did something wrong" or "I don't know what causes this problem". If you want to make them useful instead of deleting them, that's fine, I said that in one of my edit summaries. My profile defaults to haviing the minor edit checkbox checked, and if I insert a template with an external link the captcha won't function if I uncheck the checkbox. [[User:Thelonesoldier|Thelonesoldier]] 00:00, 20 February 2011 (UTC)


I think you've really missed the point here, and would do [http://developer.valvesoftware.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Campaignjunkie&curid=2681&diff=0&oldid=50373&rcid=60942 well to calm down]. The Wiki is the product of the people that contribute to it. People the same as you, who take a few minutes or hours out of their day to add to what's here, for no reason other than that it will help out people the same as you. There is no one here who magically knows the answers to the questions you have, and who is withholding information. There is no standard that the Wiki has to attain. It's entirely a glass-half-full proposition. What's here helps you out (for example, try finding info about the [[Ambient_generic#Flags|flags for ambient_generic]] in Hammer). What's not, well you're no worse off than you were before. If you want to know about stuff but can't find it, there are [[Help Desk|ways and means]] of asking. Insulting the people who spend their free time making your life easier (even if it isn't easy enough for you) isn't really going to help anyone. --[[User:Giles|Giles]] 04:01, 18 Feb 2007 (PST)
== Changes to the templates are causing some issues ==
:In the past, my experience with the help desk has been that it's incredibly slow and not worth bothering with. And people like Campaignjunkie who have years of mapping experience definitely know information they aren't bothering to add because it "isn't helpful" (which is totally absurd). Articles like the ambient_generic article are ''absolutely worthless'' and might as well be deleted. All the information is copied verbatim from Hammer, which means the only people who would ever need that information already have it in an easier-to-access-location. It does hurt me because I waste my time trying to find information on the wiki and just find completely worthless summaries like "<integer> Spin up time (0-100)" which doesn't mean anything to anybody. I'm upset that VALVe is too lazy to provide documentation, and that even though way back when we had Worldcraft, it came with excellent documentation, but VALVe continually replaced the documentation sites with less useful, less navigable ones until we finally reached the Wiki, which is frustrating to navigate and usually fails to provide any useful information in the end result. And then when I come and try to suggest changes people start complaining about how adding useful information would be bad - that's "too much information"! So perhaps you can see why I'm frustrated. [[User:Thelonesoldier|Thelonesoldier]] 11:58, 18 Feb 2007 (PST)
For example: http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Category:Level_Design {{unsigned|ThaiGrocer}}
:Ah, what a stupid problem. Thanks for pointing it out, I'm fixing the issues now. [[User:Thelonesoldier|Thelonesoldier]] 21:57, 1 March 2011 (UTC)


: ^ Ditto. By the way, all those LFO and spinup controls are from HL1 - and only now are you so upset about not knowing what they do? --'''[[User:Campaignjunkie|Campaignjunkie]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Campaignjunkie|talk]])</sup> 16:09, 18 Feb 2007 (PST)
== Template categories ==


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[[Special:AllPages]] can be filtered by namespace you know... --[[user:TomEdwards|TomEdwards]] 22:43, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
:It appears Jeff Lane created the actual template category for some reason, probably because it's more intuitive to search for - I dunno. I added the link to view all the templates within that category. --[[User:MossyBucket|MossyBucket (formerly Andreasen)]] 03:13, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


If you are having trouble getting a link to turn blue, rather than red, it's because you have got the capitalisation wrong. It needs to match what the page was originally created with. Annoying bug, I know.
== Template documentation ==
If you got [[Template:Documentation/end box2]] and [[Template:Documentation/start box2]] to work somehow, could you provide a documentation for them? If they don't work, you should mark them for deletion instead. --[[User:MossyBucket|MossyBucket (formerly Andreasen)]] 03:13, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
:Done. [[User:Thelonesoldier|Thelonesoldier]] 03:34, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


While you are running around adding lots of basic info to the entity pages, bear in mind that the Wiki needs to serve two types of people - those who want reference, and those who want beginner materials - and that the needs of those two may compete. More detail can help a beginner but hinder someone looking for reference.
== Award! ==


Also, "Maybe the more skilled community is afraid of competition from the upstarts"? For real? Well I guess your name is accurate. I really don't understand where you are getting these perceptions of laziness or elitism from, though. I hope that after you've spent a while here you mellow a bit. In the meantime, your enthusiasm and efforts are appreciated, I'm sure. --[[User:Giles|Giles]] 14:58, 19 Feb 2007 (PST)
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:I thought I had the capitalization correct. I think I tried it different ways. And yes, it does need to serve two types of people, not just the people who already know the information and so feel it unecessary to put it on the pages. I can't imagine anyone who knows the stuff would come here looking for reference, especially since there isn't anything they can't get from Hammer much more easily. And yeah, "for real". When people are telling me not to add information because it's "not useful" and "too much information", I fail to see how that makes sense except to prevent this information from being readily available to beginners. For example, I personally know Campaignjunkie, and I recall that he always caters to those around his skill level and tries his best to not give any help to those he thinks are worse than himself. Nothing besides laziness or elitism could realistically explain how little real information is available in most of the articles I've looked at. [[User:Thelonesoldier|Thelonesoldier]] 15:07, 19 Feb 2007 (PST)
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::"I can't imagine anyone who knows the stuff would come here looking for reference, especially since there isn't anything they can't get from Hammer much more easily"? Then you are simply mistaken in the scope of your imagination. A novice learns differently from a more experienced user. You are also outright wrong - I've saved myself dozens of hours through stuff that's on the Wiki but not in Hammer (which is why I pop in now and then to see if I can't give a little back).
<center>For your extensive work on categorization, I categorically present you with the category award, which categorizes you as one of the most category-minded in the category of users.</center>
::I'm not saying don't add information to the Wiki, I'm saying be careful about where you put it. There's little point putting in a mini-tutorial about brush-entities are the start of every entity page that deals with a brush-entity, for instance, because once you've read it and understood it, it just gets in the way. There are pages for beginners, which can always benefit from being more fleshed out. But there's no point, for example, bemoaning that func_detail "could still be explained better" on the entity page, when there are three articles linked at the bottom that do the job. --[[User:Giles|Giles]] 15:28, 19 Feb 2007 (PST)
 
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[[User:Thelonesoldier|Thelonesoldier]] 01:43, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 
== Reverting song reference ==
 
Hi, could you please explain your motivation reverting the link I added to [[Dr. Wallace Breen]]. Thanks --[[User:Phaeilo|Phaeilo]] 16:27, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
:As your first contribution to the wiki that edit may look like advertising to some. Also if we were going to start adding links to music videos that have a reference to any game of valve to the wiki it will become a mess. I would assume you could get away with creating a new article for the sole purpose of mentioning valve references in songs, seen as there are other articles here that don't exactly have anything to do with development. --[[User:Biohazard 90|Biohazard]] 17:00, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
::Thank you for clearing that up. --[[User:Phaeilo|Phaeilo]] 17:07, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Exactly as Biohazard has stated (thanks!). I guess I wouldn't be opposed to a new article with a comprehensive list. I've always been curious what Valve's stance on using audio samples from their games in music is; I doubt we'll ever get an official answer. [[User:Thelonesoldier|Thelonesoldier]] 11:35, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

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 **combine soldier death tone**

Why are you deleting compile errors?

How else are we going to know what's wrong on compile time, if not through checking the wiki? I'm desputing all of those tags. (So far I've found two.) --MossyBucket (formerly Andreasen) 16:57, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Also, I think I recall that inserting delete tags needs to be major edits, so if you've inserted them as minor edits, they might not register. --MossyBucket (formerly Andreasen) 17:30, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
The ones I marked for deletion were generally useless articles, "you did something wrong" or "I don't know what causes this problem". If you want to make them useful instead of deleting them, that's fine, I said that in one of my edit summaries. My profile defaults to haviing the minor edit checkbox checked, and if I insert a template with an external link the captcha won't function if I uncheck the checkbox. Thelonesoldier 00:00, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Changes to the templates are causing some issues

For example: http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Category:Level_Design —Unsigned comment added by ThaiGrocer (talk • contribs) Always sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~)

Ah, what a stupid problem. Thanks for pointing it out, I'm fixing the issues now. Thelonesoldier 21:57, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Template categories

Special:AllPages can be filtered by namespace you know... --TomEdwards 22:43, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

It appears Jeff Lane created the actual template category for some reason, probably because it's more intuitive to search for - I dunno. I added the link to view all the templates within that category. --MossyBucket (formerly Andreasen) 03:13, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Template documentation

If you got Template:Documentation/end box2 and Template:Documentation/start box2 to work somehow, could you provide a documentation for them? If they don't work, you should mark them for deletion instead. --MossyBucket (formerly Andreasen) 03:13, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Done. Thelonesoldier 03:34, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Award!

The Category Award!
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For your extensive work on categorization, I categorically present you with the category award, which categorizes you as one of the most category-minded in the category of users.
Don't worry, there's no users category.

Thelonesoldier 01:43, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Reverting song reference

Hi, could you please explain your motivation reverting the link I added to Dr. Wallace Breen. Thanks --Phaeilo 16:27, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

As your first contribution to the wiki that edit may look like advertising to some. Also if we were going to start adding links to music videos that have a reference to any game of valve to the wiki it will become a mess. I would assume you could get away with creating a new article for the sole purpose of mentioning valve references in songs, seen as there are other articles here that don't exactly have anything to do with development. --Biohazard 17:00, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for clearing that up. --Phaeilo 17:07, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
Exactly as Biohazard has stated (thanks!). I guess I wouldn't be opposed to a new article with a comprehensive list. I've always been curious what Valve's stance on using audio samples from their games in music is; I doubt we'll ever get an official answer. Thelonesoldier 11:35, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
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