User talk:Zozart/category test

Wow, it looks even better than I imagined! I'll try making some background icons. --TomEdwards 09:16, 21 Jan 2006 (PST)

Looks like the Wiki can't handle bg images. :-/ --TomEdwards 09:30, 21 Jan 2006 (PST)

Yes, it wraps an image tag around the image... However, if we could get the go-ahead from one of the administrators we could request for a background image to be uploaded for us to reference directly. `zozart ^.chat @ 10:02, 21 Jan 2006 (PST)

I'm not sure that the location of the file would make any difference...--TomEdwards 10:06, 21 Jan 2006 (PST)

Oh, yes, you're right. It strips out any tags or properties related to a background-image. However, my suggestion still stands, as an administrator could add the background image in the wiki .css file instead. `zozart ^.chat @ 12:45, 21 Jan 2006 (PST)

I like it a lot. I've just edited the Dystopia entry to use this new lay out: —Fuzzy ^(talk  )

I like it too, a lot more usable now. :) --Campaignjunkie ^(talk) 15:40, 21 Jan 2006 (PST)

Low-HTML versions

First of all, I think this is a good effort, and absolutely worth addressing. The category page has needed a bit of an overhaul as it is now much larger than the original design allowed. I just added another version on the bottom the page that is cleaner and uses significantly less HTML, though it is not all eliminated. The main advantage is that it's easier to read and edit the text. The main disadvantage is that the open and close <div> markups are harder to track. I also reorganized some of the links to more closely match the needs of beginning users.

There are some significant problems with creating formats using mixed HTML and Wiki markup simultaneously. The idea of the VDC is to keep formatting as simply as possible. The more HTML is involved, the more difficult it will be for many users to successfully follow basic formatting guidelines. This is true when they wish to edit that page, or when they go to create a brand new one with the same formatting. Regardless, please do not change the actual Category:Level Design page until we can discuss the issues with one of our interface designers next week. If the desire is that the formatting matches the Main Page, we may decide to simplify the front page instead of making all of the other pages more complex to edit. Finding a layout for this page that uses almost no HTML would be ideal. --JeffLane 17:56, 21 Jan 2006 (PST)

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We could use templates for the div's, e.g. {{Start Category}} and {{End Category}}? That would eliminate alot of the repeating clutter. It would also make it slightly easier to track where the div's start and end, since they'd be named (e.g. matching up {{Start Category Section}} with {{End Category Section}} -- the Section would be the identifier). Finally, this would eliminate all the visible HTML on the page, leaving only templates with friendly names. On the downside, there would still be at least two start/end's to match up (we could compress two of the div start/end's into one template, as they are directly nested), but templates would certainly make them more manageable.

To example, this:

== Tutorials ==
<div class='capsule'>
<div class='captop'><div></div></div>
<div class='capcontent' style='text-align: left'>
=== Beginner ===
<div class='categoryboxout' id='beginner' {{CategoryBox}}>
==== General ====
* [[Getting_Started|Building your first room in Hammer]]
* etc...

Would become this:

== Tutorials ==
{{Start Category}}
=== Beginner ===
{{Start Category Section|beginner}}
==== General ====
* [[Getting_Started|Building your first room in Hammer]]
* etc...

In this case, if the user clicks 'Edit' on a single category box, then they'll only be shown two, aptly named, template markups.