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== This article does not meet the mod profile criteria ==

This mod profile does not meet the criteria in [[Help:Mod_Profiles]]. It doesn't seem to have any presence outside of the Valve Developer Community (e.g. a ModDB page) and it doesn't seem to have much utility to the Valve Developer Community. It also appears to lack proof of concept.

If this mod does not meet the mod profile criteria, it may be marked for deletion alongside [[Template:PWHL2WIcon]]. --[[User:Blixibon|Blixibon]] ([[User talk:Blixibon|talk]]) 15:02, 9 May 2020 (UTC)


== About this mod being on the VDC ==

I see that you've been working really hard to make this mod meet the criteria in [[Help:Mod_Profiles]]. You addressed my original concerns about the mod criteria and even removed a deletion notice set by someone else because they didn't challenge your Undelete request.

However, there's one big question which still really needs to be answered: Why is this mod on the Valve Developer Community and what purpose does it serve to developers?

According to [[Help:Mod_Profiles]], the first thing you're supposed to consider before making a mod page is that the Valve Developer Community is a development wiki. You can create anything you want with Source, but a VDC article is usually only necessary when it serves some purpose to Source developers. This is especially the case for dedicated templates, as they're used when a mod or game may have a presence in multiple places on the wiki.

For example, {{Game link|Synergy}} is a popular Half-Life 2 co-op mod that's on Steam and has its own community, entities, and level design practices. Another mod, {{Game link|Entropy : Zero}}, is a high-profile Half-Life 2 mod with source code available on GitHub. It has its own community, code modifications, and level design practices. Its sequel, {{Game link|Entropy : Zero 2}}, isn't released yet, but it's on the VDC because it's an official, actively developed sequel to that mod and its source code is expected to release on GitHub as well. It's also notable for being the first mod to use {{Game link|Mapbase}}.

Portal with Half-Life 2 weapons doesn't have its own community, level design practices, or anything else that would make it useful to developers or notable enough to be on the VDC. I know that you've been trying to give Portal with Half-Life 2 weapons [[Portal with Half-Life 2 weapons Level Creation|its own level design articles]] in an effort to make it useful, but since it's not released yet and doesn't have a community or reputation to support it, it's not useful.

If you want your mod to be on the VDC, you have to give it a purpose for being here. Prove that it's worth being here. That's going to take some time. Until then, the VDC articles and templates related to Portal with Half-Life 2 weapons are probably going to be removed. I recommend sticking to ModDB for your mod, at least for now. When you've given Portal with Half-Life 2 weapons enough reasons to be on this wiki, you can return and restore your articles. --[[User:Blixibon|Blixibon]] ([[User talk:Blixibon|talk]]) 22:16, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry I didn't understand and I have some question. Where I can make community for this mod and can you make more examples about it? [[User:Kpabik|Kpabik]] ([[User talk:Kpabik|talk]]) 06:35, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

: ModDB is a good place to build a community for this mod. [https://www.moddb.com/mods/portal-with-half-life-2-weapons You already have a ModDB page], but it doesn't have much on it. You also may need to do more than build a community if you want Portal with Half-Life 2 weapons to be on the VDC. Most Source mods in general aren't on the VDC (and probably don't want to be) because it's a development wiki. Mod profiles on the VDC are supposed to be useful to developers, not potential players. Whether something is "useful to developers" can be interpreted in many ways, like if the mod is open-source or if it's a large, popular mod that's influenced the Source community as a whole.

: For example, {{Game link|Synergy}} has been the #1 Half-Life 2 co-op mod since 2005. It's not open-source, but it has its own entities and mappers can design levels for it in creative and unique ways compared to regular Half-Life 2. Some documentation for it is on the VDC already with [[:Category:Synergy_Entities|an entire category for Synergy entities]]. There's other co-op mods as well, like [[Obsidian Conflict]] or [[Lambda Fortress]], which make a similar volume of changes.

: I would also like to point out that there is already a lot of really old mods on this wiki which do not meet the mod profile criteria at all, many of which can be found in [[:Category:Dead_Mods]]. The main reason I'm trying to stop Portal with Half-Life 2 weapons instead of any of these mods is because you've been expanding Portal with Half-Life 2 weapons across the VDC more than these mods ever have, and none of the new articles serve any purpose to the VDC. To make those articles useful to the VDC, you have to make your mod useful to the VDC. Some of those articles may not be needed at all. For now, just stay on ModDB and look at what the other Source mods on ModDB have done. That will help you build a community. It would also help significantly if you get Portal with Half-Life 2 weapons on Steam. --[[User:Blixibon|Blixibon]] ([[User talk:Blixibon|talk]]) 13:58, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

::Maybe this mod must not be in VDC and maybe this mod page must be deleted. --[[User:Kpabik|Kpabik]] ([[User talk:Kpabik|talk]]) 09:16, 13 July 2020 (UTC)