Until we get that sorted out you can get the information you're after by opening the various FGD files up in a text editor. The FGDs are actually more reliable than this wiki, since a lot of entity pages here still haven't been updated for the Orange Box. --TomEdwards 18:20, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
- With the exception to the missing literal keyvalues, I've admired your changes to the style of the articles and would very much like to see you succeed in your goal of converting the rest of the site. But if you choose to cut me out of the wiki entirely, how then will I be able to cooperate with you? --Gmc.jimmy 19:08, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
- The bottom line is that the purpose of the Valve Developer Community is to document and provide information about using the Source SDK. If you aren't using Hammer, then you aren't using the SDK, so you must defer for the time being to the majority that do. Until the issue with representing both SmartEdit and Keyvalue descriptions is resolved, I suggest that you refer to the HalfLife 2 Knowledge Base. The information on the site predates Episode 1 and the Orange Box, but the entity descriptions are good and contain both SmartEdit and Keyvalue information. SmartEdit text is in bold, with the keyvalue afterwards, why not give it a try?--Fitzroy doll 05:35, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
- The purpose of the entity articles on this site is to provide better descriptions of what each KV/FL/I/O does: if people want reference they'll always do better going through Hammer/the FGD or even the source code. Have you tried "fishing" through the FGDs by the way? Just run a search for the entity name and you're there. I've been doing that myself to get the friendly KV names and it's not a big deal. Syntax highlighting makes reading easier too. --TomEdwards 09:28, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
- Hello, Fitzroy doll. It's a pleasure to meet you. Thank you for taking an interest and reading some of my concerns here and for your suggestions. Please allow me to clear up a misunderstanding that I think you might have in regards to my last "undo" to the logic_timer article. Please take a moment to notice the time stamp on the article change by me and the signature time stamp from Toms first message here. That change submitted by me was made before Tom posted here. After reading Toms message and reviewing the link that he provided, I took a "wait-n-see" attitude as an attempt at being reasonably cooperative with Tom. And I am watching his progress with great interest and enthusiasm.
- I was willing to let it go at that. However seeing that you have some concerns about it. I felt it was necessary to expound on my intentions here. But before I get deeper into that, I have some questions for both you and Tom. Seeing how we're comfortable with using this page to communicate, I'll just go ahead and post those questions here. Now the answers to these first two questions are going to affect the relevance of the questions that come after them. The first question is; Are either you or Tom employed at Valve or under a labor contract with Valve? And the second question is; Are either of you admins here on this wiki? --Gmc.jimmy 00:34, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
- No, we're average users like you. The whole point of a wiki is that it's written collaboratively so that's not unusual. You're taking this very seriously, like you're in trouble...you're really not! --TomEdwards 17:00, 17 August 2009 (UTC)