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Current notices

File Upload Bug

Apparently there is a {known bug} which rejects any uploaded file which contains the characters '<?' within the first 1024 character block. Bugzilla indicates that there is a patch for this error, however the VDC appears to be unpatched as yet.

Thanks for the report. We'll look into this. --JeffLane 22:23, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

New standards for mod articles

I didn't know how to run things by you until now, so I went ahead and set some official standards for creating mod articles here, to prevent "noobs" from spamming the wiki with things they'll typically never even finish. ...but it's ultimately your wiki, so let us know if you disagree on this. --MossyBucket (formerly Andreasen) 11:44, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Seems reasonable. ModDB already does an excellent job at this function, and a mod and game database is not really part of the scope of the VDC currently. Documentation specific to a particular mod (how to use its entities, for example) seems more suited to the site. --JeffLane 22:23, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi, as you might be aware there are dozens, probably hundreds of useless mod articles. Using the new criteria we've established as mentioned above, a few of us have been marking those articles for deletion. To assist the administrators in more easily locating and deleting offending articles, I've added a {{deletemod}} template which automatically adds the articles to the new category Category:Mods for deletion. Hope this is helpful. Thelonesoldier 00:32, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Please unprotect Making a Mod

The protection of Making a Mod has been desputed for six YEARS now, without so much as a comment from Valve. (Read its discussion page.) You could also check what other protected pages are being disputed/needs updating. --MossyBucket (formerly Andreasen) 15:37, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

There are very few pages that we would prefer to remain protected; this is one of them. We wish this particular page to remain as coming from a Valve perspective. If others in the community want to expand the topic from their perspective with additional pages, that is not a problem. Multiple pages can be linked from the appropriate locations and we can add links to this page on request.
If there are requests for unprotection, they can be tagged with a request and found here: Category:Pages to be unprotected --JeffLane 22:32, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Are russian non-localized pages allowed?

It appears (from what I understand) that Kostya won't bother writing unlocalized pages in english because he's not that good at english, and online russian-english translators gives too poor results.

(Quote from my talk page and his russian pages: "otherlangs I didn't make. Here I will write stuff in Russian language, If You wont translate. Me pester. Translators bad, good results I don't get. I will write in Russian")

I think both me and him would like to know if this is allowed.

--MossyBucket (formerly Andreasen) 16:45, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Ideally, the page has a version in Russian with the pagename:ru format, and a version in English with no suffix. From a practical standpoint however, if you're referring to his likely Russian-language mod page, I don't see much of a problem with it co-existing in one page as long as there is an introduction in English. This will not work on other pages, however. --JeffLane 23:53, 10 February 2011 (UTC)


This article needs to be confirmed or denied by a Valve employee. I tried out the console commands, and they don't even seem to exist, but it still might have worked at some point. Rumors say you need Episode 1, and then when Episode 1 was released, suddenly it's Episode 2, and then people tell you that you would need a certain map. This wouldn't be the first time where people got together to promote something that doesn't exist. (You'll see what it looks like in the video: Like a rollermine that creates a vortex.) --MossyBucket (formerly Andreasen) 23:02, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

I believe the hopwire was only available from the leaked HL2 beta and the 'Missing information' mod based on its content.

--Tehrasha 22:47, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I had it mixed up with a different 'hopwire' item. Found this though [1] --Tehrasha 23:00, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

External link captcha

Whenever you add an external link to an article, the Wiki gives you a captcha. That's fine for the most part, but it also gives you a captcha whenever you add a template with an external link. This is a massive nuisance; I do a lot of maintainance edits including adding various tags, and most of the tags (including stub and deletion) always bring up the captcha. It wastes a lot of my time, particularly since I have trouble reading some of them and I sometimes have to retry several times. Is there a way to disable the captcha from coming up for templates?

Thelonesoldier 00:32, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

We can look into this, but there might not be an easy fix. Unfortunately, the CAPTCHA has been instrumental in reducing spam edits. --JeffLane 23:54, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
All right, thanks. Thelonesoldier 00:44, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Hammer Hotkey Reference

In the title article Erik Johnson (employed at Valve) wrote that Ctrl+Shift+C would "Carve selected objects" and that Ctrl+H would "Hollow selected objects". They don't seem to do that at all. In fact, pressing Ctrl+H seems to delete all brushes except the selected ones. Perhaps the article needs updating by someone who knows these shortcuts well. --MossyBucket (formerly Andreasen) 01:59, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

That's probably happening because a lot of those hotkeys have been changed for the 2009 branch, so yeah, it either needs updating or clarification about the version it thematizes. --Biohazard 02:34, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
That is correct. Those were the correct shortcuts when the information was originally posted (and actually may still be the case in one or more branches). --JeffLane 23:52, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Forever is a very long time

As he isn't able to do so himself, I want to appeal MrTwoVideoCards permaban. I've read through his discussion with Thelonesoldier, and while I'm not in any way condoning rude behavior, overconfidence, or swears, I don't think he was some sort of an enemy of this wiki, like the spammers or vandals are. He was just overly passionate about a subject. Judging by his maturity, I get the picture of a boy probably going through his teens, where hormones create a naturally aggressive behavior, but that's nothing that won't pass in two years time, and bans for even a month would be enough for him to think things over and build some patience. This user has even made a mod for this community.

While I wasn't fond of him personally, I'm concerned over this because I've been permabanned from lots and lots of forums on moderator whims, and have experienced how poorly chosen words can be a virtual death-sentence. As long as you have an option to ban a user for a limited amount of time, I think this would be the time to show mercy.

--MossyBucket (formerly Andreasen) 01:00, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Most of the discussion has been deleted. You're not nearly getting the whole picture here. Thelonesoldier 01:51, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Then what is the whole picture? Looking twice, I find probable ban evasions, and a general arrogant and aggressive behavior, but do you really think that he will be the same person 1-2 years from now? --MossyBucket (formerly Andreasen) 02:32, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
When he's given a final warning by an administrator and his response is "I'm not sorry" and more insults, that's not indicative of a desire to change or function cooperatively. In the workplace, if you create a hostile work environment, you get fired. They don't keep you in case you have a turnaround several years down the line. You are biased because you know him from some time ago, and I'm biased because he repeatedly attacked me and another user, but if the conversation continues in this direction it will look like I'm flaming him. It's pointless to debate amongst ourselves anyway, since neither of us has any authoritative powers and Jeff will do what he wants to do. Thelonesoldier 09:01, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Is that how you work? If you're all fired up over something, and a mod comes along and says that you nearly dodged a ban for flaming, but that he is instead willing to hear you out, do you suddenly out of the blue feel remorse and want to apologize for everything that you were so passionate about just a minute ago? ...because that's not a normal human reaction. Sure, you can feel enough fear to feign being sorry, but some people have more pride and sincerity than feigning an apology.
Also, this board is a lot different than a workplace. People can come and go as they please here. There are no "occupied positions" here that can result in somebody being "replaced", so the wiki is always open.
PS. I would also like to make it clear that while I knew MrTwoVideoCards from a couple of years ago, over all he was a beginner that I patiently tolerated - not a partner.
--MossyBucket (formerly Andreasen) 11:29, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
So when you act out and are reproached by an authority, you take the opportunity to reaffirm you should be disciplined? You get called to the school office on threat of detention, and you gloat? The officer is teetering on letting you off with a warning and you brag about speeding? That's ludicrous. An adult can look at his or her behavior and think "I got carried away." Even if you can't admit to yourself or others that you made a mistake, a wiki offers the very convenient out that you can literally just not respond at all. It's necessary for a wiki, at least to a degree, to behave as rational adults in a cooperative workplace - otherwise, we get flame wars and edit wars and very counter-productive behavior.
Unforunately Gear did not learn to patiently tolerate others.
Again, there is no point in having this conversation, but to be more clear I'm not going to continue participating in it. Thelonesoldier 11:41, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
I wouldn't do these things in the first place, but my point is that it's futile to expect an honest apology from someone who gets this carried away, without some kind of dialogue to take place. Of course he's not going to apologize - from his perspective he had been given no valid, honorable reason to, and he was still very much upset (because it didn't look like he did all of this with dead calm). In this case it looked like Jeff was giving him an opportunity to explain himself, and not replying would also be rude.
...but all of this is beside the point. You never did answer my question of whether you thought he would still be the same angry, rude person after 1-2 years. I don't think so. There's a big difference between a 1-2 year ban, and a lifetime ban. --MossyBucket (formerly Andreasen) 12:27, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Although this latest incident was the primary cause of the ban, this was not an isolated case. An existing pattern of inflammatory interactions with other users was also a contributing factor. Bans are never considered lightly. --JeffLane 23:50, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Okay. I did what I could. --MossyBucket (formerly Andreasen) 01:23, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
It's okay, here I am. Yeah like I had stated on the AO page, I was never extremely angry with Lonesoldier. However seeing as quite a few other people were in the same boat I was, I felt somewhat annoyed by the lack of understanding on lonesoldiers part. It eventually dwindled down to the group not liking any of lonesoldier's arguments and reasoning realizing the Lonesoldier is the alpha and Omega over here at the VDC now, and that we are all but mere mortals who should never dare to challenge the all amazing might that is lonesoldier God of Thunder. I digress. I also stated I didn't apologize for my behavior, and honestly no one else did as well. That entire situation got out of hand, and I'm totally okay with putting it behind me, but it doesn't change the fact a lot of people still don't agree with how lonesoldier walks around the vdc, or that he was extremely annoying to deal with on the AO article. I must admit, I am quite surprised someone went and appealed my ban though.
My problem is I fail to see how everyone entirely disagreed with lonesoldier on the AO article, even someone who COMPLETELY IMPLEMENTED AO into the source engine, yet Jeff completely ignored those users, and they never we're talked to. I'm not trying to point fingers at other users here, or imply others should be punished in any way, just that quite a lot of users had an issue with lonesolder, yet you completely ignored that issue Jeff. You didn't bother to ask any of the users why they had such a problem with the AO article, and Lonesoldier themselves. Fuck, Lonesoldier didn't even get a slap on the wrist for the whole situation. Thats why I didn't care for apologizing for me behavior. I could honestly care less about getting angry about some whiner-baby kid over the internet, but when the moderators come on, and basically ignore the face of the issue, I get mad. I get mega jelly.--MrFourVideoCards 23:16, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Aside from the inability to stop insulting people, will anything be done about the block evasion? Thelonesoldier 04:17, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
THE LEVELS OF MAD, THEY ARE SO HIGH DOCTOR! THEY ARE ALMOST OVER 9000!--MrFourVideoCards 06:08, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Custom source markup tags

I noticed that this wiki has implemented GeSHi <source> markup tags to supercede the standard <pre> (and <code> and <div>) tags when marking listings of source code and scripts. (It does not support the newer <syntaxhighlight> tags, however.) I'm not an experienced PHP programmer, but I'm curious if there was a way to code a custom script markup for Valve's scripts. (Right now the argument lang=actionscript3 looks pretty okay, but that's for Flash.) It should be pretty easy for anyone who has the time, by referring to the GeSHi documentation. --MossyBucket (formerly Andreasen) 05:41, 25 February 2011 (UTC)