User talk:Plykkegaard

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Welcome!

Hello there, and welcome to the VDC! It's safer here :) Good idea on bringing SDK Nuts tutorials to the VDC, and thank you for that! It's a shame to see that site go, but perhaps others might be created! In what regards to editing pages, I have two suggestions:

  1. If you want to easily sign your posts, you can write the following characters after your text: --~~~~. Your signature will appear in their place. Alternatively, you can click the "signature" button (the penultimate button), and those same characters are automatically placed in the editing box. You should always sign your posts on talk pages and (generally, apart from a few exceptions) never on article pages.
  2. Always remember to use the Show preview button more times than the Save page button, to prevent "flooding" the Recent Changes page!

Enjoy your stay here on the VDC! --Etset 13:38, 4 Feb 2008 (PST)

Tutorials

Hi, I used to visit SDK Nuts quite often, and when the site went down for the first time, Nicadeamas and I took some time and ported all of the tutorials by Mark over to PHP (with his permission), and hosted them on my site (type3studios.com). The reason I'm here is that I've heard that Mark "officially" handed the tutorials off to you, and so I have some questions regarding them. The Developer wiki is a great place for them, but it is limited in formatting, and as such I was wondering if you minded me bringing the tutorials back online at Type 3. Here is an example: Displacement Basics As you can see, We've already put the work into formatting the tutorials, checking the links, and even have all of the downloads associated with the tutorials already available. Bringing them back up could also save you some time on this effort, as you could link to my site for the downloads, or it could even save you from having to port them at all if you just wanted to link to the tutorials here. at any rate it is up to you. I'll try to look here for a response, but if you could email me at vecima.k(at)gmail.com, i would appreciate it. thanks. --Vecima 12:09, 8 Feb 2008 (PST)

Don't get me wrong, but really why do we need these tuts on here to begin with? There awesome, if not awesome sauce, but if its on the SDK nuts site, then we won't really need it here, as this is all basic construct tuts anyways.--Gear 16:06, 8 Feb 2008 (PST)
On another note, which You may have noticed, the site is down, but for now you wont have to port them all over to here, we never have anyways. We can wait and see if it comes back up. Rather than jumping the gun.--Gear 16:07, 8 Feb 2008 (PST)
I don't think the site will ever come up again, or let's say I'd be more than surprised if the site is ever opened again, the source code is in my hands now and Mark told me that putting it on VDC would probably be the best thing to do
A lot of people have enjoyed the tutorials, but if you don't want them here it's fine with me, I have tons of other stuff to work with.
Hmm btw you have the all right to have your opinion and no offence taken! --Peter [AGHL] 16:35, 8 Feb 2008 (PST)
Yeah those tuts are good, But sure I want them, I just Wasnt too sure if we should all dump em here just yet, as man there are a lot, but hey if Mark said go, well then, have fun, and if you need help, come ask ;_)--Gear 21:18, 8 Feb 2008 (PST)
...sure I do need a couple of hands and more. I can easily port them to the VDC. First one wiseHouse took some time as I neededto get en idea of syntax/formatting etc. The latter I am opening in notepad to delete/change HTML tags and apply wiki formatting, credits etc - eg WiseWaterGlass --Peter [AGHL] 00:57, 9 Feb 2008 (PST)

I think perhaps Gear is not up-do-date on this: a few days ago it was announced that SDK Nuts was going to be closed. The site was going to be used by ... some other beloved benefactors ... Although I think the site was supposed to maintain some of its content until the 15th February, it seems to already have been taken by its new owner, take a look: http://www.sdknuts.net. So basically the tutorials needed to find a new home (not that there aren't enough sites wanting them), and Mark gave his permission to post the articles here on the VDC, which I find to be an excellent idea, provided that due credit is given to the original author :) By the way, thumbs up to Peter [AGHL] for his work! --Etset 03:49, 9 Feb 2008 (PST)

I don't think it's a good policy to spread around links to tutorials on various pages of the wiki. Links, especially those on the == See also == categories, are supposed to give the reader some additional information, and are closely related to the article in which the link appears. In the case of tutorials, it's normal that a tutorial needs to talk about brushes, entities (numerous entities...), models, materials, etc... One shouldn't add a link to that specific tutorial on all of those other pages, just because it is something referred to on that tutorial. Otherwise, it's going to be == See also == rampage madness, with links flying around and being added when there is no real need to.
Remember: see also sections are for links to articles that are closely related, and tutorials are related to lots of things but don't always provide specific information about each, so that link is really unnecessary. I really don't think it's a good policy. --Etset 14:47, 11 Feb 2008 (PST)
Removed ...
You have a point :) - I have often been on a reference page and missed samples on how to actually use the darn thing. But as you have written we could end up with a couple of hundreds links in the See Also section - not that interesting --Peter [AGHL] 15:23, 11 Feb 2008 (PST)
But, but why? :s If not in the "See Also" section, then where are the tutorials supposed to go? I get if the tutorials didn't have anything to do with the page, but I haven't seen any page with too much tutorials. What is this? --Andreasen 16:04, 11 Feb 2008 (PST)
Any "global" page where we can discuss this? Thanks in advance --Peter [AGHL] 16:13, 11 Feb 2008 (PST)
Global? Is the Steam forums considered global? (You can PM me there if you want - my name is Andreasen there too.) If you are concerned about a discussion taking up space here, you can always create a link such as User talk:Plykkegaard/Tutorial Discussion, or perhaps create an archive (history) link. Of course there is such a thing as too many tutorials - it just sounded like some sort of a request of total ban on tutorials in the See Also sections. --Andreasen 17:27, 11 Feb 2008 (PST)


Improvements needed on wise tuts

I can see that the articles need a little brushup here and there to conform to VDC standards and improve the quality

  • Rewrite to thirdperson
  • Add additional descriptions or link to other articles (I'm enabling hyperlinks on all entities etc)
  • Proper article name
  • New larger screenshots (I have the sample maps)
  • And probably more

Thanks in advance --Peter [AGHL] 00:55, 9 Feb 2008 (PST)

Signatures

When you write someone else's nickname and link to it, there is no need to include two hifens before it, such as: --wisemx. You can simply write: wisemx. It looks better too :)

When you are signing your own post on a talk page, you can use the --~~~~ characters to quickly insert your signature, but the hifens are only there to separate the text from the signature itself. In fact, the signature itself appears due to the four tildes (~~~~), which means you can actually sign your posts with any other string of characters (that includes four tildes), for example:

signature:~~~~

results in the following: signature:Etset 14:05, 9 Feb 2008 (PST)