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Users editing template pages

Recently, users have been editing template pages, probably unaware that they are used in a different way. An example is the recruiting template. If these pages can be protected without breaking the usage of said templates, could this be done? Solokiller 09:47, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Protection is generally undesirable as it restricts all users. It would be better to add a message describing proper usage with <noinclude> that explains the template should not be edited directly, but added to a page using the template syntax. For example, see Template:Construction-notice --JeffLane 21:30, 12 October 2009 (UTC)


is there a page for VDC-specific rules?

it's starting to get really annoying that people are quoting non-existant rules about mods, and mold the rules to suit them. Kizzycocoa 17:49, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

There are few documented rules that are unique to this site. The site has primarily operated under the same policies as Wikipedia except where the Terms of use applies. Largely we expect the users of the site to act as adults are willing to give them some latitude about how they wish the site to function. Admins will generally only step in when it appears there are continuous disruptions or a logical consensus is not being met. That is least desirable outcome. On the flip side, users should not presume to speak for the site administrators. --JeffLane 01:09, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
ok, it's just, for example, I had a map list for my mod. it is fairly unique, as it consists of one level, but changed each time (much like the This is the only level game)
because of that, I thought "well, the mod is fairly confusing. maybe it would be nice to add in"
so, I thought, why not make a sub-page, just to be clean and efficient about it. upon making the page, members said it's against "the rules" and marked it for deletion.
of course, it may be against the rules, but their evidence was a discussion between a few users, and I've only seen support for mods if I go to the main page. it seems to be enticing mod makers to make entries by advertising making mods for source.
I then decided, as you said we are allowed to use user space for almost anything (of course, with limits. it's not a blog or a seperate wiki), I'd go to there and add the page there, and just link them to each other.
upon which, they said, as I did that, the page had lost it's user page status. again, no proof other that that group discussion, which was beside the point as it was a user page, and they never answered how it lost it's status
so, I just thought, maybe expanding on rules a bit would be a good idea? or, make a page, and let users discuss in the talk page for what needs implementing?
because I am completely confused about all these rules. and I believe all rules need to be approved by an admin (they do on a forum I help out at) Kizzycocoa 08:38, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
As I said, there's few documented rules for this site. This is not like a traditional forum. If the community decides it needs such rules, it's going to have to draft and write them, and get a general consensus about the content of such rules before they can be put into place. In the past, things like new guidelines have been created as a proposal in user space, then moved to the main namespace when it was agreed upon by general consensus. We've purposely tried not to create too many explicit rules that would constrain contributors in undesirable ways. I haven't followed all of the discussion you are referring to, but I will say that no one should be using only rules as a sole basis for an argument in any dispute if they're using citing community generated and undocumented rules. Don't take that to mean I am saying that any objections people have raised are without merit, just that community consensus is more valuable for solving disputes instead of blindly quoting rules.
In the particular case you mentioned, I agree that a page in user space should generally not be linked on a page outside user space. The division is important so readers understand when they are reading community-controlled documentation pages versus material under the control of single user. Again, I am not quoting a rule on this, that is simply my analysis of the question. --JeffLane 00:59, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
ah, ok. well, now I know ^^
I just think prehaps we should create a form of rules that -if it has to be- is decided by the overall community. maybe called "community guidelines" or something. would that be good? Kizzycocoa 08:40, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
I was actually just thinking about going around the VDC collecting any rules that were posted here and there so we could write a clear rules page, in exactly the way you described it. Solokiller 10:19, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
yeah, that would be good. (finally, something we are agreeing on XD)
there's the small matter of community approval, or maybe even jefflane just looking every now and then and remove/edit the ones they don't like.
then, at least we can HAVE documented rules for you lot to quote against me XP and it would clear up things a lot. Kizzycocoa 13:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Report User: Crysisking_ownage922

I'm not sure where to report a user, but I guess this place isn't all wrong.

If you look at the contributions of said user then you can see, that some of his/her edits are questionable. --z33ky 11:09, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

These edits are questionable, yes, though it's better to let the VDC community handle the results until the user becomes obviously malicious and/or uncontrollable with simple reverts. --JeffLane 00:09, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Is there specific place to report an abusive user? I keep ending up in recursive loops trying to find one... --Tehrasha 20:50, 3 June 2010 (CDT)

Some files from Ricochet Level Creation to deletion

Please delete

because lightweight JPG versions of files available. Also this files are out of date (there are 16"-thick pads on images, but in Ricochet pads are 32"-thick).

--SiPlus, the uploader of files and Ricochet Level Creation writer @ 08:11, 20 January 2010 (UTC).

Youtube Support

Can you consider adding the ability to embed Youtube videos into pages? --Sbrown 07:21, 26 January 2010 (UTC) You can link to them (and include a thumbnail if you really want), but not everyone wants to have Flash running randomly while browsing VDC as it is fairly unstable and Youtube has been crashing some peoples browsers with the 10.1 update. Aside from that I'm assuming it would be a fairly difficult feature to add.

list of Source SDK bugs

There are currently several pages that cover bugs in the Source SDK, at least the following:
Source SDK Bugs
Source SDK SE2 Bugs
Source SDK Known Issues

These are better merged into one page which links to a page covering bugs for each tool, i.e.:

  • Hammer
  • Compile tools (BSP, VIS, RAD)
  • Faceposer
  • Command line tools
  • Other tools

There should also need to be separate sections/pages for each version of the tools (2006, 2007, 2009)
What do you think? Solokiller 10:02, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

I've created a concept for a unified list of issues, suggestions, etc, here: User:Solokiller/SDK_bugs_Concept

Solokiller 10:45, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

The Source SDK Known Issues page is part of the official release notes. That page cannot be merged with these other, community-created, pages. Other than that, your proposal seems reasonable. Though the formatting of the page should never include level 1 headings. Those are only for the page title. If a page seems to require them, it's sometimes an indicator that it's too long/complicated. --JeffLane 23:14, 20 July 2010 (UTC)