Template talk:Hacker

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This is actually retarded. JoshuaAshton (talk) 02:13, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Do we really need this? We already have User:Pinsplash/How_to_deal_with_hackers, also not to mention the hacker can remove their "marking" so there is no point for making this. Coolcraftteam (talk) 02:21, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
Ahaha, immediately after (see image on the right)
JoshuaAshton (talk) 02:24, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
I mean Pinsplash, if you want to come out and defend this Template, certainly do. But banning me from your crappy VDC Discord when everyone else also disagrees with you won't solve anything :^) JoshuaAshton (talk) 02:28, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
I'd also like to add that editing a user's page goes against wiki ettiquette - and should be avoided. SharpOB (talk) 02:53, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

I am done attempting to reason with you. I fully believe you have no faith in actually improving this website and that you're only trying to get on my nerves. Keep this up, and soon you will be wasting an administrator's time. Pinsplash (talk) 02:37, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

I'm sure of that Pinsplash, it's not like you consistently make awful changes that people disagree with on this site. JoshuaAshton (talk) 02:38, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
So wait Pinsplash, you don't have any faith that he can improve this website because he doesn't agree with your wrong point? Coolcraftteam (talk) 05:43, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
User_talk:Pinsplash/How_to_deal_with_hackers See what I wrote here:
A large portion is bad advice, caution should always be heavily exercised. Just because someone is from HackerOne, it doesn't mean you should let them get away with bloody murder. Many people claim to be ethical hackers but are actually doing much worse things in the background. If you see any actual exploits, regardless of whether the person says they're an ethical hacker or whatever, just report it. This is why the Template:Hacker page is so rediculous.
JoshuaAshton (talk) 02:44, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
I'm going to be blunt here, this is stupid. If there is a hacker on the site, you report it to Valve, it's that simple. Placing tags on a suspected "hacker's" profile is ridiculous. Slartibarty (talk) 02:45, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
I'm inclined to agree. Pinsplash should not be creating a template to call "HACKER!" on people - because they do not have the authority to do that, or to be trusted to do that. This kind of thing should be left to Valve, and Pinsplash should stop this wiki god complex. You are not god of the wiki, and you don't have the authority to scream "HACKER!" on people.SharpOB (talk) 02:49, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
Also I must say,
I've assured the Administrator that nothing will go wrong
JoshuaAshton (talk) 02:47, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
Flame and insult all you wish, if you have objections to something, you can speak in a civil manner like the rest of us. I'm disregarding this and all future attacks you direct at me. Let me tell you, you are banned from many online communities for a good reason. Pinsplash (talk) 02:49, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
That's funny - you're also banned from online communities for good reasons.SharpOB (talk) 02:52, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
The discussions that I've seen so far from Josh that happened here are civil. Coolcraftteam (talk) 02:52, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
I'm not flaming you. To flame would mean I was insulting you without warrant. I'm not flaming you, merely stating facts and actions of your own. JoshuaAshton (talk) 02:54, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
I do have to agree with Josh on this, it doesn't really make much sense. Report the user. A "hacker" sign A) doesn't have any authority behind it, B) can be trivially removed, and C) isn't going to stop anyone. --TeamSpen210 (talk) 03:08, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
I agree with Josh. This is sort of a dumb template. If something's amiss, contact an admin. Tagging suspected hackers on their talk page won't do anything useful. All these "provisions" since the hacking "incident" are kind of strange. --Stract (talk) 03:33, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

"Hacking" is a strong word, a criminal offense, and certainly not a joke

This nonsensical, juvenile conversation about quote/unquote "hacking" needs to stop. Right now. I don't think many of you truly understand the sheer gravity exerted behind that word, when you use it. When you accuse someone of hacking, you're accusing them of committing a crime. Hacking is a serious crime, and that means a criminal record and jail time. Want a knock at your front door in the middle of the night? That's what I thought.

Hackers are criminals. Like murderers, thieves, mobsters, etc., they don't want to get caught. Why in the hell would they randomly pop on to an easily accessible website (on the surface web too, for that matter), put a target on their heads, and broadcast their crimes to the rest of the world? They wouldn't. And you guys need to grow up. A real hacker wouldn't "hack" an open-source MediaWiki site of all things. Real hackers care about money, not some random site on the internet, especially not a wiki centered around videogame development. It would be a complete waste of time on their part. And anyone claiming to be a "hacker" is a bored kid with too much time on his hands, and someone who knows very little about computers in general.

There are no "hackers" here because actual hackers don't waste their time on trivial matters, such as this site. In short, real hackers want your bank account information, not your VDC account information.

Don't argue about that which you do not know the true meaning of. – DJFluXion 03:24, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

I think you're getting a bit too caught up in extremes and I don't know why. A hacker is "a person who uses computers to gain unauthorized access to data." I don't necessarily think this is a necessary template, but you're kind of barking up the wrong tree I think. --Stract (talk) 03:33, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
Good job defining the crime of hacking. I'm intrigued at your ability to use a dictionary. – DJFluXion 03:38, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
I feel I should add that both of you don't have the definition 100% correct. Hacking can also refer to people experimenting with things, such as hack-a-thons or the like. Either way, though, it's a cringe-worthy application of the term. SharpOB (talk) 03:43, 11 August 2018 (UTC)