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:I added a [[Project:Wiki_To_Do|Wiki To Do]] page. The idea is that anyone can visit this page and instantly find things to add to the Wiki that fits the time and skill level they can currently have. This page is the only one linking to it currently. --[[User:JeffLane|JeffLane]] 01:33, 1 Jul 2005 (PDT)
:I added a [[Project:Wiki_To_Do|Wiki To Do]] page. The idea is that anyone can visit this page and instantly find things to add to the Wiki that fits the time and skill level they can currently have. This page is the only one linking to it currently. --[[User:JeffLane|JeffLane]] 01:33, 1 Jul 2005 (PDT)
:Excellent idea. This page is already getting out of control. --[[User:Geogriffith|Geogriffith]]

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Discussion of major additions

I put up a crappy help page, basically just 2 links :( Someone else should finish it. — Draco

I fixed up the Help page. Much remains to be done — for now, it is based on, and heavily references, Wikipedia. — Dan Johnson 19:02, 27 Jun 2005 (PDT)

I have finished my guide on editing wiki pages, Help_with_Editing. Hope it comes in handy. — User:Geogriffith

It's a tad unprofessional (first person writing, style inconsistency, "Bastards.", "Dur.") but a good start, certainly better than the previous situation of "no help whatsoever," and especially for someone unfamiliar with wikicode. Well done. I have written a link to it into Help:Contents; I would add to the page myself, but my brain is already broiled. — Dan Johnson 20:02, 27 Jun 2005 (PDT)
Oh hell, someone'll get around to fixing it sooner or later :) — User:Geogriffith
Can someone write up how to make a new page. I haven't been able to figure it out :( - user:Mooga

This isn't particularly major in the grand scheme of things, but I've added a Mod Page Template as a reference for people creating or modifying mod information pages. -Chrisb


We're not going to enforce any real editing rules on the site, with the exception of obvious offensive material. The site is likely to turn out more useful if the community drives that effort.

One of the main problems with Mediawiki as it stands is that practically needs a wiki dedicated to itself to figure out how to operate it. It's a very confusing and scary thing, and that isn't immediately apparent when you look at the heavily standardised Wikipedia. No new wiki should really take Wikipedia as a test subject, because the hive mind philosophy powering it is one you can't deliberately replicate unless you have access to a whole world of OCD sufferers. So, unless the site is going to be driven by a select group of very dedicated people with obscene amounts of time to spare, there will need to be guidelines quickly thrown down about the basic formatting and structure of the site, or enthusiasm can quickly unravel into a not-so-helpful splat of information resembling the HL2World wiki, which I'm sure you've browsed while researching this.

While we're on the subject of usage, I have to say that the case sensitivity of Mediawiki combined with the extremely poor search engine (I assume for the sake of efficiency) can make locating information a lot harder than it should be. We're attempting to implement a more useful search on my wiki, which I'll be happy to share when complete.
Super Foul Egg

New To Wiki

I'm new to wiki and I am really hoping that by leaving a comment that I'm not screwing something up, but is it possible to set up a classic Forum for Developers, haha, I'm having a pretty difficult time finding needed information. In fact, I could easily set up a PHPBB Forum and give you guys the link if you would like. - Solo

The site should become more coherent, cohesive, and usable overall after the learning curve for a wiki is passed. For now, please see the Help page to learn about how the wiki works. — Dan Johnson 18:50, 27 Jun 2005 (PDT)

Still Doesn't tell me where to find information such as in Level Modeling, how do you create breakable glass?

You would be able to find it by searching in the search box on the sidebar, but there does not appear to be much information about it. The second result for 'level modeling' is Materials_for_models. You could add a question about glass to the comments there. — fysh 19:47, 27 Jun 2005 (PDT)
A good solution here is to start an article with a really good name (describes it well, in this case, Creating Breakable Glass) and put it in the right category. Someone's bound to come by and write the article soon. -Mungo
If only there was a way to make a new one. Seems as if there is no "Create New Article" link. The the only way I've found is to edit the current address and change "Talk:Main_Page" to the new article that I want. -Snowknight26
Typically, the best way to do this is edit an existing article to include a link to your new article, then click the red link to make the new one. Doing it this way ensures that you don't make any "orphans" (articles that no other article links to).
If you can't find a relevant existing article to link from, make a link on your user: page. -- Rof 17:29, 29 Jun 2005 (PDT)

Confusing comments

I'm finding commenting really messy. We had better make a set of rules for them, like always make a new section (the + next to edit) and give it a title when making a new comment or it will get out of control. And is there a way to make your signature appear on every comment you make? --Tom Edwards 11:54, 28 Jun 2005 (PDT)

I have seen it in the preferences section.

You'll get used to, no need to change IMO, tho I do have trouble with the siggies, what do I have to write behind it? --Fragrag

Mostly because Its unknowm the datetime of comments. Its topposting or bottomposting? Anyway this mess its developer friendly. A good reason to write good code!.. to avoid something like THIS ---Tei

Correction: actually looks much better. ---Tei

Items that need to be deleted.

File:Grunt01.gif - Halo grunt. Not Half-Life 2.

Map Editing - Obsolete page from original website. These are all on the Level Design category page.

Category:Third party mods and Category:3rd party mod: Redundant categories. See Category:HL1 Third Party Mods and Category:HL2 Third Party Mods. Also 3rd_party_mod

-There's also an unused category:mapping, but it may not be worth deleting, because people are going to keep accidentally creating it.

Category:Complains typo in category name.

Items that need to be fixed


Check the Complains page for complains about Source.

To Do Page

I added a Wiki To Do page. The idea is that anyone can visit this page and instantly find things to add to the Wiki that fits the time and skill level they can currently have. This page is the only one linking to it currently. --JeffLane 01:33, 1 Jul 2005 (PDT)
Excellent idea. This page is already getting out of control. --Geogriffith


Counter Strike is listed at an offical mod AND a 3rd party mod for HL1. Can someone remove CS from the offical mod list? --Mooga 06:12, 1 Jul 2005 (PDT)

Making a mod

The first line of [[Making_a_MOD|Making a MOD, 3.1.1 Finishing > Five Weeks Out > Centralize Ownership] should be changed to You should designate a single member of your MOD team as the [[Shipping_Leader_In_Detail|Shipping Leader]] (SL)..


Most locked pages are not in a category. Please change this.

Features that need to be added


Add somekind of sandbox page? Also add some kind of help for actually using the wiki? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents comes to mind. Also the special maintenence pages can be abused and can drive the server load through the roof. Also I would reserve all names like Gabe Newell before they get completly abused. — ^Ben


Also, maybe make an official list of rules for the wiki. "Terms of Use" doesn't really cut it in terms of readability. A nice list of "do and do not" examples is a good idea. Also, not just Gabe Newell, but gaben! :) — BAILOPAN 17:08, 27 Jun 2005 (PDT)
Im just waiting till the little kids get a hold of this, goatse and tubgirl ahoy! — ^Ben

Navigation Change

Could we get a link to the Special:Categories page off the main page or in the nav. Like once your on the site in the main page, it seems rather dificuilt to get to any information. - treb
There should be a tip section for individual sub-categories. So that we can add things we've learned along the process of creating content for source based games/mods. Every bump along the road we run across its likely 10 or 20 other people will run across it. Sub categories could be coding, mapping, modeling. Just an idea. - KillahSin


A genuine forum, dedicated to this wiki. The main page discussion seems to be the informal chat board, but we'll need something better. Especially if we want to coordinate something, such as a drive to crosslink hundreds of pages. User:Geogriffith
How about implimenting the "Village Pump" idea that wikipedia uses? -Dan
Maybe we can ask a community to house a forum for us? - ^Ben
I'll look around. While I do have some webspace, I can't host a full forums for everyone who plays anything HL! I'll post here when I have something. the onlth problem is that some people will be mods, others not. Thats how forums work... - Mooga
Ah! How's This? Valve Wiki Forums - Mooga

Request Page

How about a page to request tutorials on certain things? ( IE: "Request: Tutorial on using the vtf-maker tool" )

--Megiddo 14:43, 30 Jun 2005 (PDT)

Valve Wiki Forums, You can use this - Mooga

Underscores in article names

With all the entities flying around, it could get confusing. --Tom Edwards 09:44, 29 Jun 2005 (PDT)


A .bsp decompiler so we can see how stuff in official maps(like d2_coast_04)were done. - ^Solokiller
You mean Vmex? -Zevensoft

Can anyone visit my discussion area

I need to see how different browsers handle massive images ^Ben

In Firefox, they loaded one at a time, the smaller ones first, followed a few seconds later by the larger. That is one BIG organization chart. --Geogriffith
For some reason whenever I try to load up the big image it will lag firefox badly^Ben